While im reviewing things. I just wanted to say, I purchased a Grass Packer for my mower, and The thing is great!! I read alot of peoples posts on the packer, both good and bad, and took a chance on it. Im glad I did. The thing packs grass awesome, and is extreemly light and easy to manage. I dont bag a whole lot. But Ill take the packer over any of the steel bags I have used in the past. Richard Martin, thanks for your help with the Packer. Your seal of approval helped me decide to buy it.