Guys and their *pop-ups*

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by DVS Hardscaper, Feb 8, 2009.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,567

    To add to Zedo's thoughts -

    If this dialog is too confusing for some and makes their head spin - I guess we could stop talking about the logistics of sales, management, etc - then maybe we otta turn this site into a site where we all do nothing but post pictures of our patios, skidsteers, and stripped lawns :walking:

    Zedo, I'll slow down so you can catch up! There are many perks assoociated with being an OFFICIAL Lawnsite BRONZE member!
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2009
  2. LB1234

    LB1234 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,208 do you backfill your trenches? Push back with the skid bucket? Attachement that does it? Do you backfill with "clean" backfill? How to you make sure the trench doesn't/is done settling?
  3. CertPro

    CertPro LawnSite Member
    Messages: 139

    DVS, I understand what you're saying, but if you install the blowout as I mentioned, there is no problem. In the event the emitter is unable to function, the water escapes through the blowout. It's going to follow the path of least resistance. Certainly, it's easier for the water to flow out the blowout than it is to travel all the way up to the roof. If you doubt that then you can install a backflow preventer (we've done that too).

    We've never had a report of a pop-up not working. I've never had a customer call and tell me that water is blowing out of the top of the downspout, running over the gutters, etc. Not trying to be a smart butt, but it hasn't happened. However, I do see your point and I think the blowout addresses that.

    Obviously, where grades allow, daylighting is the best option. However, where grades do not allow, I think the emitter is a viable option and the blowout addresses your concerns.
  4. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,567

    Ok, so now a blow out valve.

    Ok, explain this to me in terms of below freezing temps and below freezing ground temps.

    Ok, water builds up in the drain line (the pipe). Once it reaches a certain level - the emitter "pops-up".

    Ok, so now if the ground is frozen, there is water laying in the pipe right below the point where the valve pops up. Thus, there is a chunk of ice in the pipe. Known as a blockage. From what you wrote you mean to tell me that this "blow out" will take the chunk ice and it will eject it?

    If things underground don't freeze - then why is my well line 32-inches deep?

    Pop-ups are probably great! As long as you live in SC, FL, GA, CA, AZ, TX, places like that.

    As long as my name is on that job, and as long as temps hit or come close to the freezing mark - we're gonna do all we can to stick to that caveman-old theory that water flows downhill :)
  5. Danscapes

    Danscapes LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 328

    That's why if you follow the instructions there should never be any water in the pipe. The pop up elbow has a drain hole drilled in the bottom of the 90* so that residual water that doesn't come out of the pop up emitter can dissipate into the hole filled with gravel that should be installed under the fitting.
  6. CertPro

    CertPro LawnSite Member
    Messages: 139

    Well if the melting water you are addressing is blocked by this "ice clog" it will back up to the point of the blowout and flow that way. Do you not think that this is a viable option?
  7. PlatinumLandCon

    PlatinumLandCon LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,315

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this just sounds like 2 pop-ups on 1 line, with 1 of them further up the line and one at the end:confused:. How is this blowout different than simply adding another popup? Who says your blowout won't be blocked with ice?
  8. CertPro

    CertPro LawnSite Member
    Messages: 139

    The blowout is a smaller diameter pipe that is above ground T'd off the 4" pvc that goes underground. If the underground pipe gets clogged or if the pop-up fails to work for some reason the water will be able to escape via the blowout rather than backing up the downspout. We usually put a rubber boot on it to pretty it up. It works very well. Let's face it, the probability of your 4" pipe becoming totally frozen is pretty unrealistic. Especially since you have that drain hole in the pop-up with your gravel drain field underneath.
  9. loupiscopolandscaping

    loupiscopolandscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 320

    id have to vote 3/4 clean dry well depending on soil and water table
  10. CertPro

    CertPro LawnSite Member
    Messages: 139

    Obviously the dry well is the bees knees, but when dealing with budget constraints they are not always viable, plus if the HO doesnt have screens on the gutters your dry well will become clogged and eventually have to be torn up.

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