Originally Posted by phasthound I'll be the Devil's advicate here. I know this is from a Liberal Eastern Institution http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/ga...pagewanted=all but there is a great deal of merit into understanding the importance of feeding the soil, not the plant. And by the way, this is my apolitical opinion. Barry, Would your products get these results or does a person need the teas? I wouldn't mind going a more organic blend fert if I get results and still use a sound herbicide program. I still think that herb apps will always be needed...but I would be interested in learning more about alternative "GOOD" fert programs if they work. Teach me as I know very little about this aproach! Thanks, RC I posted that link because it helps give insight on the importance of soil biology. This link goes into more detail about what is being done there. http://www.uos.harvard.edu/fmo/landscape/organiclandscaping/soil_presentation.shtml As you can see this is a very intensive program! It is providing results that can not be achieved with production line applications, synthetic or organic. But there is a great deal of useful information for the green industry coming from projects like this. Working with soil biology does provide healthier landscapes that are easier to maintain. This can mean bigger profit margins with the bonus of less environmental impact. The products that I supply are not going to change the soil as much as applying compost and aerated compost teas. Compost & compost tea are powerful tools. However I can honestly tell you that using organic and/or organic based Nutrient PLUS granular fertilizers, ICT Organic fertilizers, pelletized vermicompost, humic acid, kelp, and fish hydrolysate will economically produce a healthy landscape with fewer problems. I know this because I use all these products in my application business. And because it's being done successfully all over the country by other companies. Is there a learning curve? Yep, just like there is with anything else. But I have found it to be much easier than trying to understand the proper use of all the chemicals used in lawn care. If you can avoid many problems, life is simpler. That's not to say that our programs will prevent all problems, problems will come up. That being said, I don't take a hard line approach. If you need pesticides to correct certain problems and know how to use them properly, then go ahead. But now figure out why those problems happen and correct the cause rather than rely solely on chemicals. As a business person, you will learn that you are doing less work for more money. As a member of the green industry, you will learn about stewardship. Please, don't anyone take offense. I have applied or been responsible for more pesticide applications than just about anyone else here. I know how effective they can be and I know their limitations.