Has anyone ever used this p/c programs???

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by Husky05, Dec 27, 2005.

  1. Husky05

    Husky05 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Has anyone out there ever used this computer program called Total 3D Landscape? I got this for xmas and dont know if I should open it yet? It looks like it is made by a company called Individual and it is version 2005. Any feedback would be greatly appericated. Thanks!
  2. Dreams To Designs

    Dreams To Designs LawnSite Bronze Member
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    It's a nice homeowner program. If you want to play around and maybe create a landscape for your home it will be adequate. It is not a professional "design" program, nor is it meant to be.

  3. Shuter

    Shuter LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I have used it for my home, but never for a commercial application.
  4. Husky05

    Husky05 LawnSite Senior Member
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    What do you recommend for a more advanced professional program? And what would something like that cost?
  5. Dreams To Designs

    Dreams To Designs LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What do you wish the program to do for you? Any drawing software that is CAD based will have a steep learning curve. The plan view drawings will be the most professional, other than hand drawn and if you wish to use 3D imaging that will add another dimension. The 3D imaging is at it's best as a presentation tool and not really as a design tool. None of the software out there will make you a designer. Pencil and paper will be your best design tools along with an extensive knowledge of plants and other landscape materials.

    I use Drafix, ProLandscape as a plan tool and a 3D imaging presentation tool. All of my large plans are hand drawn and colored, because you can't get the feeling of a 24" x 36" piece of vellum on even a 20" computer screen. To get the feel for the whole design, you need to see it all. Along with the other tools I use Horticopia as a decision making and presentation tool for plants. I also consult an ever growing larger library of horticultural books, magazines and publications along with the Internet for information on plant and miscellaneous landscape materials.

    What are you looking to do? Designs for installations? Presentations for client meetings? Plant information for landscape jobs?

  6. Markf

    Markf LawnSite Senior Member
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    Dreams to Design,
    We are also in the same boat. At this point, I do not wish to spend $1300 on a piece of software since we are not yet full blown in landscape design. However, we have 4 or 5 clients that have mentioned for us to sit with them over the winter to mull ideas for the spring. A software presentation would be nice. Are there any cheaper software alternatives then Prolandscape?
  7. Husky05

    Husky05 LawnSite Senior Member
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    I want to use it for designs of landscapes and something I can give/show clients
  8. Dreams To Designs

    Dreams To Designs LawnSite Bronze Member
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    In my research, which was extensive, there really is no software between homeowner and professional. I chose ProLandscape because of it's relative ease of use, cost and support. If you do not do designs on vellum now, no software will help you. Most clients do not understand a landscape design & many installers struggle with the plan view, but it is necessary for correct installation. What plants go where is not as important as what type of plants, structures, hardscaping and other elements go where. The specific materials can be decided in time, but the placement of those elements is crucial.

    Mark, my suggestion would be to seek out a local landscape designer and work with them. You will get many benefits from this type of relationship. Interview many designers if needed and find one or more that suit your company and your vision. It's not just the $1300 for the software, it's the many, many hours of learning it and more time to master it. Then you have to buy a printer that can handle large format, at least another $1000 and paper and ink to go along with it. If you are not planning on getting good money for your designs, this is a very expensive giveaway. A good design is very valuable to both your client and your company. Not only is it the blueprint for the landscape you are going to create, but it is the actual plan you need to follow to realize the vision, you and your designer have presented to your client. There is nothing easy about using "design" software. It is not a quick fix for your lack of ability or knowledge. You must look at the software as a digital pencil, in plan mode, and not much more. You do have the advantage of emailing your plan, printing on a large format printer, or a local print shop and probably the biggest advantage, being able to make changes easier than redrawing an entire plan. All the CAD based software is time consuming to learn and difficult to master. If design is not going to be your full time business, when in doubt, sub it out. A good designer will have years of education, experience and knowledge of horticulture, along with the ability to relate to and present all this to your client. A good designer will not create their design at your client's, but take your clients ideas, budget and site conditions and create a unique landscape that the client will love for a long time and you will be proud to have installed and hopefully maintain.

    Husky, help me out. I need more specifics. Can you design now, or do you have someone that can design for you? The plan will confuse most homeowners, not impress them. The 3D imaging will give them a better idea of what you are trying to create for them, BUT, it is not a preview of what you will install, It is only a representation. If anyone tells you, the installation looks just like the imaging, they are smoking the lawn, not maintaining it. If you want professional presentations, ProLandscape will help you with that, it will not do it for you. It is just a tool, not a substitute for education and artistic talent. Some people have it, and many do not. Just take a look around at many of the landscape installed in your areas.

    If you watch the show on HGTV you see the homeowners eyes glaze over when the designer is presenting the plan, but when they show the imaging. pictures of plants and samples of the materials they want to use, their eye light up and they client gets excited. The plan is your blueprint for installation, pricing and materials list. It will help you create flow and continuity in the landscape, but even with pretty colors is not exciting to look at.

    If your business is landscape installations and you are good at it, stick to it. Bring in someone to create your designs for you and charge the client for that professional service. If you as the owner, wish to create, install and maintain your landscape, you will never be able to grow, because you can't do it all. putting a designer on staff can be an expense many landscaper cannot afford, and when you have that high dollar designer behind the wheel of a snowplow or out cutting grass because there is not enough design work to keep them busy, you will understand.

  9. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    That is a Broderbund product. I have a couple of their programs I'm pretty happy with. I don't have the landscape design software though. However, one of the programs I have does allow for landscape design in 3-D. I've done some that look OK with it, which are extra cool because I can also do an exact replica of there home and property along with it. However, the down side of it is that my program does not have any property elevation design... or none I have figured out how to use anyways. So everything is on a flat pool table 3-D format.
  10. leadarrows

    leadarrows LawnSite Senior Member
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    I don't think this is right. I did a search and it's not Broderbund. I have some programs by them as well and I like them but this is a company I never heard of.Individual Software Inc.http://www.individualsoftware.com/new/consumer/details/tl8.htm

    Looks interesting I think I will check it out. I have 3 different programs now but I'm not satisfied with any of them yet. Although more practise might help.

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