Help From the Pro's.

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by severdsoul, Aug 6, 2001.

  1. severdsoul

    severdsoul LawnSite Member
    from Montana
    Messages: 2

    I'm not in the profession of lawn care, but i feel like it some times.
    We dont have a Large yard, but what we do have we like to
    keep up and make look good. We have a water pond, with
    water fall, and fountian, with a area around it of about a 6' x 10' square section with flowers of all kinds planted. We also, have around 5 pots in a half circle with flowers planted in them, which are growing great, plus the Patio Table, umbrella and chairs, and
    a three seat swing, with canopy, bird bath, and a few bird feeders.
    Our lawn is ok, but not what i want it to be. I use a push mower
    with a bagger, to pick up most the clippings, then i rake the yard
    if needed, to help get oxygen to the grass. (read it some where, i cant say i realy know if it works or not.)
    The grass is ok, but not as green as i would like it.
    What would you guys suggest to help make it a deeper green?
    I've tryed a few of the off the shelf fertalisers, (spray type)
    while they do seem to help, i'm afraid to use them to much.
    I've read that i think. ... Lime will help green it up..
    any help would be appriceated, i dont realy want to spend tons on it now since the season is about over, especaly for us in montana, winter sets in early. But i'd like to know what to use
    to make it green up a bit this year, and get it ready for
    next summer.
    P.S. we water twice a day, once in the afternoon for around 1 hour , and in the evening for around 2 hours. (pumped from the river which is at the end of our property.
    Thanks for any advice in advance
  2. scottt

    scottt LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 269

    I am just starting to learn about fertilizers so I can't help you with that part, but bagging is not helping you any. You are taking nutrients from the lawn by doing this. Mulching or side discharging will be much better for the lawn. Also you don't need to water twice a day. Watering deeply two or three times a week is much better for your lawn. I know most of the other guys will have more to say, but I hope this helps a little.

    MATTHEW LawnSite Senior Member
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 665

    You should have the soil tested. Get some samples from various lawn areas (about 3/4 lb) and send it to a facility that will test it. You should find out the pH, and Pot./Phos. levels. You may find the pH low (you need lime) You may need a lot of P or K. You may actually do more harm than good trying a lot of different products. Good Luck!
  4. HOMER

    HOMER LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,183

    Might be watering too much.

    What type of grass is it?
  5. severdsoul

    severdsoul LawnSite Member
    from Montana
    Messages: 2

    Thanks guys,
    I will have to do some checking and see where i can get it
    tested. I will probably get it tested some time this year, but
    wait until next spring to realy get serious, since fall/winter is
    so close.
    I used the spray only twice so far this year, i was a bit afraid
    of over doing it. I think if i remember right it was Scotts
    "Green Up" It said to use every two weeks, but i was not
    that brave.
    I used a side discharge most of the spring and half of the
    summer with no bagger until it decied to quit on me. But i knew
    it was going to sooner or later, just wanted to pospone it till
    fall, but didnt make it.
    I'll cut back on the frequency watering and see if there is any diffrence.
    As for the type of grass, i realy dont have any idea, if i had to
    guess i would say mostly Fescue (?Spelling?). It was here when
    we moved in. Although it was in much worse shape than now.
    Many bare spots and brown spots. We have brought it a long
    way so far.
    I resceeded it in the spring with Kentucky Blue Grass, but
    it was mainly to thicken it up and cover the bear and dead
    areas. I'm not to up on sceed, which type is best, etc. I
    just read the back of the bags for temps and survival in winter.
    Although most grass is prity tough to kill if it gets water.
    Thank you again for the help and suggestions.
  6. Scraper

    Scraper LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,656

    Stay away from Nitrogen in the late spring and summer months and supplement with Iron. The Iron will cause the green you are looking for and not create the added stress of growth during the hot summer months. Also, you are definitely watering entirely too much. Your lawn will thrive on an inch of water a week. That is a deep watering all at one time. If you need to figure how long it takes get a coffee can and mark it at 1" and put in the path of your sprinkler. Once it fills to the 1" mark you know how long it needs to run in each zone.

    P.S. I believe plants thrive on CO2 as opposed to O2. ;)
  7. HBFOXJr

    HBFOXJr LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,712

    Turf color is not only a function of fertility but of turf type and variety. Some fescues, particularly finer ones that tolerate lower fertility will never look good in the summer because they don't have the genetics to look green in hot weather.

    There must be an occasional sod farm near some metro area. Call them and get advice on seed or offer to buy some. Fall is probably better even in Montana. Lots of seed is grown in the northwest so maybe you can find a seed farmer to talk too. However they might be growing the cheap stuff so I'd prefer the sod farmer who wants performance and appearance in the product he sells.
  8. UrbanEarth

    UrbanEarth LawnSite Member
    Messages: 142

    I would look into getting a core aeration done. Now would be a good time to do it, and then put down a good (slow release) winterizer formula fert. Something like a 9-30-15. If it is slow release, the N will not be available until the spring of next year and will then give your lawn a good kick start in the spring. The low N will help make sure that the turf is fed properly, but not too much, before the fall.
    I would go to a reputable garden centre to get the fert (ie, not Home Depot, Walmart, etc).


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