I agree that don't have enough revenue to support myself being a full time "office manager". As I said earlier, I am out in the field at least 70% of the time doing production work. I have tried to do the majority of my work in the landscaping/install area. As far as being the supervisor of the 3rd crew, that is exactly what I am doing - the 3rd crew is my install, special projects crew. I am willing to learn from whomever will help, my pride left along time ago. When you start losing money that you can keep for yourself, you leave your pride at the door. I have 2 crew leaders/drivers who do a good job of up-selling. One of my challenges is to match the extra sales with the labor available without paying overtime.