Here we go again....the start.....

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Steiner, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 409

    Here is the first of many. Bad lighting, sorry in advance.

    Higher end client, nothing huge, just working through my own ideas. Anyone else get started this way? Or maybe you go right to CADD?


  2. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 409

    Guys what is the secret to taking pics of your drawings? I know scanning is the best but I hate to break out that bad boy!

    Better Quality.jpg
  3. soopa

    soopa LawnSite Member
    from NY
    Messages: 132

    nice to see a real drawing, love the "sun-dial"
  4. Dreams To Designs

    Dreams To Designs LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,406

    The photos are fine, both are legible. The second, due to lighting is easier to see. Lighting is the key to taking a photo of a drawing or most any situation. You can also tilt your board to vertical and have the camera on a tripod to compose a full frame shot and get the deep color representation. When all else fails, a trip to a print shop with a large format scanner can't be beat.

    After creating a CAD drawing of the baseplan, I still prefer to work on it on the drafting table and let the ideas flow before going back to CAD for presentations. Most of the best design work is done with paper and pencil. Cad offers a consistent and easily changeable image that has an additional advantage of being digital. Being digital allows it to be emailed, to clients or printers and is much easier to manipulate and make changes than hand drawn. Many CAD based design programs offer multiple rendering modes to impress clients, but still create simplified drawings for bids or installation.

  5. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 409

    Kirk I use sketchup. What program are you using?

  6. mrusk

    mrusk LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,260

    Loose the arrows.
  7. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 409

    The arrows are for preliminary direction of travel work ups. I find it easier to work through the placement of features when you know the flow of traffic and where furniture is located.

    This is not the finished design, merely a way to think of everything that might come up.

    Design is in the details.
  8. PaperCutter

    PaperCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,996

    Going right to CAD gives me tunnel vision, because I'm never seeing the big picture. The farther I take it on trace before drafting it in CAD, the happier I am.

    I've actually had really good luck taping a drawing to the wall, and standing back and taking a digital photo. If the tape on the corners bothers me, a few clicks in Photoshop fixes that. I can't justify paying Kinkos' price for large-format color scans, and the local reprographics place closed, so I'm all about the alternatives.
  9. Groomer

    Groomer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,681

    did Rusk mean lose the arrows, or Foose the arrows? (Chip).
  10. Dreams To Designs

    Dreams To Designs LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,406

    Chris, I use Pro landscape by Drafix. It allows me to create a baseplan, quickly and easily, print it out and literally go to the drawing board. I agree with Dave, CAD can give you tunnel vision. I prefer to let my ideas flow and concept on paper at the drafting table, and then render the plan in CAD.

    I do use Sketchup, and it does well in presenting an idea, especially hardscapes. Pro Landscape has an excellent image creator and allows complete 3D motion and capture. Clients really like to see how your ideas will play out on a photo of their homes.

    I also use arrows in my concept plans as a way to identify good flow, but they never make it past the concept drawings, except for stair descriptors. Like the North arrow, I use something similar on my plans.


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