I have two homeowners who do their own fert program. They also do all their own maintenance work. Both are expensive homes, and the grounds are kept very well. In one case the husband and wife spend all weekend on their property and it really shows. In the other case, he does a huge effort in the Spring, and most of his grounds are shrubs or other plants not requiring much effort to keep up. But, in both cases, they do their own fert program -- with the notion that "tall grass is good grass." The quality of turf in case 1 is superb, a bluegrass/ryegrass mix that is thick, lush, and without a weed. In the second case, the quality isn't quite as good, but far better than most others. Both have done second/third(?) round of fert about two weeks ago. In the first case, I show up today with "amber waves of grain" blowing in the breeze. I have been double cutting recently, but that was out of the question. The problem area is behind the house, about 15K sq ft of turf. I cut it today with my Exmark w/b, 36", 10 Gobblers of clippings. The area is surrounded by deep beds with dyed mulch, so great care must be taken to keep clippings from the bed. I know he uses a Lesco spreader, and I know I have seen Lesco bags on his property,but I don't know what was put down a couple of weeks ago. In the past two weeks, we have had about 3" of rain, so the ground is very wet. In the second case, he confessed he put down Scott's Turf Builder in the Spring. Here I have about 12K sq ft in one area. Earlier in the season, 2-5 weeks after the Turf Builder, I took off 10-12 Gobblers of clippings. Two weeks ago, the speader was out again, but I don't know what he put down. Today, I had 10 Gobblers again. For the past few weeks, it has been 5-6 Gobblers. After his first episode with Turf Builder, I suggested strongly he use a better, controlled release nitrogen product. He claimed to understand, but I'm not sure he acted on my suggestion. His spreader is also a Lesco, and he has other Lesco products. How do I strongly suggest these folks change their ways? Mulching is out of the question. These are cool-weather grasses, and when they growth this fast in a week, the clippings are very sappy. Today, in both cases, I had trouble getting the sappy clippings into the Gobbler -- mulching would merely make mush of the clippings. Double cutting is also out of the question for the second one. He has so many beds, pennisulas, etc, there isn't very much room to discharge. This entire property is about 0.75 acre, and it takes me about 35 minutes just to trim all the edges (many beds, pool, large turf area inside a fence around the pool, ....). Also, neither would even consider a frequency of less than 7 days, and I don't want it either (destroys my weekly schedule with others). I truly believe these folks are sincere in what they are doing, but I don't think they understand the fallout when I show up to mow and deal with the "hay crop." And, I don't think they are on a "power trip," that is, get their joys of watching me deal with the mess they've created. Neither have mowed their own lawn for a long time, except perhaps the first one of the season before hardly any growth happens ("... I just wanted to clean up the Winter debris."). They both have tractors with baggers, but only use the tractors for pulling carts, or other utility work. No, I don't want to drop them. When things go well, which is most of the time, they are good $/hr jobs, especially the first one. Both are part of others (first one, I work the property next door at the same time; second one, one of four I work together next door/across the street). How can I talk intelligently these two men about this problem? Other efforts have gone on deaf ears. Both are well-off, smart (one owns his own substantial business, other is CFO of a large regional company), and really enjoy working their property. Both vacation in the Summer, travel often, so want to be sure the grass cutting is covered each week, hence, they hired me. Maybe I'm a bit frustrated today because the schedule happened to put them back-to-back, and it was the most miserable working day here of the season (hot/humid). There seemed to be no end to the Gobblers ...., and my Gatorade supply ran out!