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We are considering switching our payscale to a "pay per job" instead of hourly. We have a lot of wasted time and think that if the crew knows what they are getting paid for that particular job, they would buy into more. For example, paying out 20% of total invoice divided among 3 guys. Crew leader gets 8% and the 2 laborers each get 6% (for a total of 20%). That would be there pay. No matter how quick or slow they do it. Any ideas?
 

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how much are you grossing a day? doesnt sound fair to me at $1000 day the leader gets $80 and laborers make $60? that is 10/hr. its very hard to say with numbers, hours, etc..... it can work if done properly. the only thing they need to watch is cutting corners to get done quick. there needs to be a penalty for that
 

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You are stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. Your idea is nuts on so many levels, If you do decide on going down this slippery slope of a road I suggest you obtain the services of a good account, office manager and lawyer with strong emphasis on the lawyer. If you ask why, I will leave that to others to explain. What ever you decide to do, I suggest you make improvements with time management first.
 

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I think I saw this in a movie before....didn't he crash and burn?
 

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I think it is a great idea it gives employees more control. We are getting ready to launch this program. Here is an idea I had a guy give me this secnario he also post some others on my thread you might want to go check it out. Here you go.

Here are a couple of ways you can structure it.

LET ME START BY SAYING THESE ARE GENERIC NUMBERS USED ONLY FOR PURPOSES OF ILLUSTRATION. THE FORMULAS WILL WORK, JUST PLUG IN YOUR OWN NUMBERS.

Scenario 1: Piece meal compensation (works best if the properties you mow are all similar in size).
Pay your employees a flat fee for every lawn they mow. This amount would be split between the crew members either equally or slightly more for the driver since he has the added responsibility. Example:

First, figure out what you’re gross profit (GP) overall for mowing is, or what you want it to be, realistically. Lets say its 55%. And lets say that you mow each yard for $35.00 per visit. Each mowing would leave you a GP of $19.25 and would cost you $15.75 in direct cost (DC) to mow, including fuel, equipment, labor etc.(does not include overhead) Now, lets say that DC, not including labor, is 3.75 per lawn mowed. This would mean that labor is costing you $12.00 per lawn mowed. Knowing this, you can establish $12.00 per lawn as the piece meal amount, meaning the crew will get $12.00 per lawn and it would be spit among the crew.

Now, if the driver of the crew will be compensated more then the others, you will need to use a point system to distribute the earnings for each day, week, etc. Here is how that can be done:
First establish point for each class of crew member. For instance 4 points for a driver and 3 points for a helper crew member. Then calculate how many lawns were mowed, for the day for instance, to get the total amount the crew will be compensated. 25 lawns X $12.00 = $300.00. Now lets say there were 3 crew members, 1 driver and 2 helper crew members. Add up all the points for the crew; 4 + 3 + 3 = 10 total points. Divide the amount of assigned points an individual has by the total points, for instance the Driver would be 4 / 10 = .4 or 40% and a helper would be 3 / 10 = .3 or 30%. This is the ratio of split for the each individual. So the driver would get $120.00 (40% of $300.00) and each helper crew member would get $90.00 (30% of $300.00). If you happen to have a day when one of the helpers does not show up for instance, the formula would work the same and would look like this:

20 lawns mowed (because there is 1 less guy doing the work)
X $12.00 per lawn
= $240.00
7 Crew points total. Crew consists of 1 driver (4 points) and 1 helper (3 points)

57%, Ratio of compensation split for driver (7 / 4 = .57 or 57%)
$136.80, Compensation for driver

43%, Ration of compensation split for helper (7 / 3 = .43 or 43%)
$103.20, Compensation for helper

You will notice that they both earned more in this scenario but ultimately it did not cost you a cent more because each lawn mowed only cost you the same flat rate of $12.00. Furthermore it will motivate them to be productive and efficient with their time in order to get more done in the same time frame. You will of course need to have some checks and balances in place. Like requiring them to return to customers yard to service it again if its not done right and they complain. This will take away from their normal time line and affect them directly, and hopefully incentivize them to do the job right the first time. it should minimize equipment damage as well because a broken piece of equipment will slow the entire crew down, again affecting them directly.

If done right this will control your costs, empower your employees to earn more, and directly and positively affect your bottom line.

I was planning on giving you a couple of scenarios but I’m running short on time and will have to do so later in another post. In the mean time I hope this is the kind of information you’re looking for and that it helps.
 

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I retract my previous statement, BUT I am not sold on it. I would love to hear updates of how it is going though.
 

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Great idea in theory, but min wage laws may get you unless they are contract, then you have another problem.

I agree with the idea of working on time management. Maybe smaller hourly pay, with completion bonuses. But anytime you pay by job you risk corners being cut, and you not on site, so you will not know, till the customer calls to cxl your service because the last few mows your guys did this or that.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, you're gonna need to prove they have (____) employees they supervise, directly....to put an employee on salary.

If something makes sense in your head, there's a good chance someone else has thought of it. That doesn't make it legal, though.
 

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Here are some other things we have considered. First, we don't mow any lawns, we do more design/build landscapes So our gross production per day could be higher than $1000. Second, to make sure that they are making at least minimum wage we would still track their hours and divide that by what they got paid for that job. We do have an office manager to track that. Third, as far as cutting corners, we have a client sign off sheet for each job for quality control. Also, if there are call backs due to a problem we caused, they would not get paid for that. So they would want less call backs obviously. Do those ideas sound good?
 

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If I'm not mistaken, you're gonna need to prove they have (____) employees they supervise, directly....to put an employee on salary.

If something makes sense in your head, there's a good chance someone else has thought of it. That doesn't make it legal, though.
Salary doesnt make them in a supervisory role.. I worked at a large corporation and there were 4000 salary workers... probably 25% of them were in some form of management... and for the other 3000 seems liked they just checked there email and stood around all day... the hourly workers actually got paid about 30% more on average than the non management types... unions
 

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Salary doesnt make them in a supervisory role..
Agreed.

Now.......when you start working folks over 40hrs/wk.......you're gonna run into trouble.

There was a rash of claims made against employers in the early 90's in the golf profession (club professionals). Clubs used to put the assistant professionals on salary and work them exhorbitant hours.

That's not legal.
 
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