would you bid a yard or install at costs, or below just to get it? offer a whole bunch of freebies with mowing? do leaf clean-ups for $30/hr or less for the tenth year, mow for under $20/yard? ive heard and seen a lot of desperation in the over saturated, unconsolidated local market. how about stories elsewhere? just the other day i met a new lco that quit his $15/hr job with bigger lawn company, cause he thought he could make more on his own. not one yard after a month, hes starving, and said that hed be willing to suck a guys **** for a $20 yard. anyone got any stories of non LS members? cause no one here is that desperate for work are they?