How long will he last?

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by muddstopper, Mar 23, 2005.

  1. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,341

    I was asked to bid a 50acre seeding job. Pasture land not turf. K31 fescue.
    I had just gotten done prepareing another pretty large bid so I already had a pretty good ideal what it would cost peracre. I give the guy my bid and he says You are way to high. Another person had given him a bid of $150 per acre. At first I figured he was just trying to haggle to get me down on price. I told him there was no way, I couldnt even buy materials for that price. He claimed the fellow buys in bulk. I repiled so do I, and not just a few bags of seed at a time. Well I decided not to argue with the guy but I asked him who gave him such a low price. Turns out it is a new guy that is just starting out in the seeding business. I called the guy up to see what gives. He told me yes he could do the job for $150 per acre and to more or less mind my own business. Fine I say and we hang up. I would have a hard time just spraying water for $150 per acre, much less add seed and fertilizer.
    Any bets on how long this guy will last.
  2. kootoomootoo

    kootoomootoo LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,369

    What is your cost per acre and what did you bid?
    $150 means nothing without a comparison.
  3. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,341

    Since I didnt actually bid this job, I just gave him a price using the numbers on the other job and considering that it was a 238 acre job my price came out to just over $850 per acre. The 50 acre job in question is of a similar nature. It should be noted that the State specs for seeding only call for 75lb of fescue and 25lb of Kbg per acre. But they also call for 4000lbs of dolomitic lime and 400lbs of 10/20/20 fert per acre. Since the 50 acre job is supposed to be seeded according to state specs, for what reason I dont know, One can not purchase that amount of materials and apply them for $150 per acre. It should also be noted that you cant drive a bulk spreader truck over most of the area to be seeded, info for just in case you are thinking bulk lime and bulk fert. Heck you couldnt drive a tractor over most of it. This means buying bagged materials and applying with a hydroseeder.
  4. The Good Earth

    The Good Earth LawnSite Member
    Messages: 171

    Mud, by my figures this guy should be in business for about another 20-25 minutes! :D

    By my figures it would cost me, just in seed, fert, tack, and paper mulch shot at 1,250 lbs per acre, $453.61 per acre. My costs for the job break down like this:
    Mulch: $7,490.36
    Seed: $12,268.71
    Fert: $1,273.36
    Tack: $1,647.88

    Even if you half rate the fert and drop the tack (really, shooting that thin of a slurry doesn't require that much tack at all) I couldn't get close to this guys price. I don't see how this fellow is managing any type of profit margin on this job.

    But, everyone has their reasons. If he wants to do it at that price, by all means. I am from the school of thought that says hey, I can sit at home and watch Springer and Oprah and go broke. Why in the world am I going to go broke while busting my hump for you?!

    Seriously, though, take a look at his equipment. It will be for sale soon!
  5. impactlandscaping

    impactlandscaping LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,332

    Unreal....he is doing that for about 1/8 th the average rate. He will be in business as long as it takes to try and complete this first spray...the contract seeker surely can't be serious about hiring him..I hope.
  6. Randy Scott

    Randy Scott LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,915

    He may learn from his mistakes and surpass everyone in business.

    People are always looking for low bid. If this is state or government work, he'll get it too. They don't care how much money he looses.
  7. kootoomootoo

    kootoomootoo LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,369

    Drive over to the site when he starts .......pull out a deck chair, slap on some lotion, grab a cooler full of beers..sounds like a great afternoons entertainment.
  8. Strawbridge Lawn

    Strawbridge Lawn LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 660

    I get my materials from lesco and just for fun figured it on 36,000 SF
    Roughly 4 bags of seed and fert per acre. comes out close to $150 for materials alone.

    I would watch and see what he puts down.. Just don't think the guy will get what he expected.. You get what you pay for most of the time but not all the time.
  9. impactlandscaping

    impactlandscaping LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,332

    Don't forget your umbrella and a tent as well. He's going to be there for a while..LOL

    Hey Mudd, how far is the nearest water supply? Local tap in or pond fill on site? Keep us posted on this.... :D
  10. impactlandscaping

    impactlandscaping LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,332

    I just figured my costs based on 1500# of mulch per acre, and I came out at $ 509.25 in raw costs per acre.

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