[rippinryno]

The ZK will be better than any ZTR with at101's or not. They help hold hills but they aren't miracle tires. I've got them on a ZTR currently and they do well, but they don't replace my 52" stander when it comes to holding hills especially when wet. Standers typically do better than ZTR on hills.

 

[rippinryno]

Your cheetah held better than Gen 1 and gen 2 what?

Welcome to the world of standers, holding hills is just one perk.

 

[rippinryno]

I cant imagine theyd be that far off from all the other standers but maybe they are. Or maybe your cheetah is just superior to the other ztr on hills. By and large, standers hold hills better than ztr.

 

[rippinryno]

Well you arent supposed to put the tires in the drink!

Are ya thinking about selling the stander now? If so I'd be interested. I need another good stander for some of my retention areas.

 

[rippinryno]

There's a learning curve from your lazer. Maybe you aren't comfortable on it yet like you are the old tried and true lazer. You might find as you continue to use it that it does better than you originally thought on hills. Just have to get used to it.

 

[rippinryno]

I will state again I’ve never ran a stander,

noted.

Other than operator position, there’s really no difference. Center or gravity is similar, stance is similar (depending on machine size). I would say from an evaluation standpoint, the difference is mental.

Similar might be a stretch. About the only similarity is that they have 2 seperate drive tires and front castors.

Guys feel more stable standing because they can lean over. I would say most get too focused on the feel of sitting on a ZTR (get scared) and don’t focus on operating it. On a stander, they lean over, lose the fear, and keep focused on operating the machine. I’m sure someone will say I can’t say anything unless I’ve run one, but I’ll just shrug and say “ok, whatever”. It has to be mental.

Well you can of course say it's mental and shrug it off, but you know experience is the best way to form an opinion.

 

[rippinryno]

If you can show me where I've attacked or insulted anybody that would be great. Until then, I would appreciate it if you would stop saying that's what I am doing and throwing around threats like you have done above.

I said the same thing you said in regards to the differences between the two mowers and that's because I've run both of them and know they are in fact quite different in many regards, center of gravity is one of them, which is why i responded to the claims above from a person who has never run a stander. It's not mental, they're different.

 

[rippinryno]

Residential props maybe not a lot of trash. Commercial props youll find have some cleanup. The stander has been a huge help in that realm. Picture 3 acres of turf and open area. If im all the way in the back and theres a polar pop cup, im off and on the stander in 10 seconds with very little effort. Do that 5-10 times per prop and you will seethe benefits. Im not sure if my pto clutch likes it.

 

[rippinryno]

Yeah, its a wear part. If i have to change it out once more than normal than no biggie. I wont disable it though because with an open ocdc it just takes one slip to be choppped up

 

[rippinryno]

They can be a royal pain! On the 757 injust repowered the old pto clutch took a lot of convincing with not one but 2 pullers. The first puller stripped itself trying to get it off it was stuck. I would have left it as i ended up putting a new one on the new motor but there were 2 spacers and a metal stop that i had to get off. Quite possibly the worst part of the whole process.

 

[rippinryno]

What manufacturer recommends engaging pto at idle? Maybe i have wimpy motors but theyll die if i send it at idle

 

[rippinryno]

If you like engine stalls engage it at idle. Ive never burned a pto clutch and i rip on them.

The answer is that no manufacturer is going to tell you to engage at idle on a gas mower. Theyll shake chug bog and possibly die. Much harder on everything doing that. I usually blast at 3/4 or full. They all vary, find the smoothest rpm to engage and keep it. Idle is never a good idea.

 

[rippinryno]

My statement is based on experience and manufacturer recommendations. Any owners manual literature you can show us that says engage at idle? Walker recommends half. Some recommend half to 3/4. None recommend idle

 

[rippinryno]

Right on my man, do your thing. Definitely not as young as you say I am but hell Ill take it!

 

[rippinryno]

Ill take 30 all day!

 

[rippinryno]

Just tried to engage pto on a z trak at idle, it died haha!

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[rippinryno]

No, the point is engaging pto at idle is bad advice and not recommended by anybody that knows mowers. The proof is in the pudding.

i know good and well what the sweet spots are on my mowers to engage pto.

 

[rippinryno]

I follow the manufacturers advice and my own experience advice. I'll try the wrights when i get them out, they're buried right now. No manufacturer of modern mowers recommends engaging at idle, it's not great to lug the engines like that. Let's see some idle engagement videos guys come on! 33 year old mowers might do it. I don't recall if I've ever engaged my 210 or 212 at idle, but that old kohler probably has the torque to do it. All 12 hp. One thing for sure is that the manuals don't suggest that and I've yet to find a modern mower manu that suggests engaging at idle. I'm all ears if somebody can provide that info.

curious prestigous what mower and tech are suggesting idle engagement of the pto?

 

[rippinryno]

Only engage the PTO at idle and it will last 5x as long.

blanket statements are like those 80 year old crotch rockets you claim were around...they're both wrong....

you got that right.

 

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He literally said "only engage pto at idle", are you biased or just choosing not to read? If i took his advice my mower wouldn't run, i couldn't mow. Get it? This is the exact advice I am arguing, welcome to the discussion. I have not and will not argue that the best time to engage is at engine speed directly after it doesn't lug the motor. That is true and that I agree with, but idle ain't it on any of these machines and no manufacturer will recommend it. You do understand that the pto takes a lot of wear if it has to lug when you engage. Too low is in fact a thing and on 99% of mowers, idle is too low. most recommend half to 3/4 as I've said before. YOu can go lower if you want to, you can do it at idle if it makes ya feel better, but I do tend to listen to the manufacturer. I used to crank them all day everyday on deeres mostly at full throttle. I mowed for 3 straight seasons and thousands of hours and we never had a clutch go out. Since i'm running personal equipment and i like the manufacturers recommendations, I've switched to somewhere in the half throttle to 3/4 ball park just depending.

my old cb four is a heck of a crotch rocket, screams like a banshee! You like to live in the past don't ya? Want more bike pics?