Very interesting thread. I honestly don't know how anyone can do well just doing residential mowing these days. There's far too many unlicensed / Uninsured people out there working for nothing or next to it. Even on tenders this year there's insured guys going in 20% to 30% less than their own price last year to try to keep from losing what they had last year. The only area the prices are staying decent is on municipal work with large acreages because "Billy Bob" gets scared off by the equipment cost, Bid Fees and (In most cases around here) the $5,000 to $10,000 performance bond. The profit on landscaping for one small job can exceed the profit for a whole year of residential mowing. The per hour profit is more that 5 times higher. There's no 30% GM on materials cutting grass. The profit on a $5000 water feature design / install can be $2000-$3000 for 2-3 days work. (And I pay GOOD installers Well) Even to this day, I don't buy new equipment. There's so many people go into this with stars in their eyes not understanding what's involved and end up selling their equipment a year or 2 down the road because they're broke. I bought a used mower last year with 82 hours on it for $3000 less than new because of this. I won't even be distributing flyers in subdivisions this year. Far to many guys with a 42" riding mower will to do a 1 acre property for $20 or kids doing small places with a 21" for $10. Don't ***** and whine they're lowballing, Don't even bother trying to compete. you'll just shoot yourself.