Hustler Super Z - problems with model

Discussion in 'General Industry Discussions' started by greenology, Oct 4, 2012.

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  1. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
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    Something tells me that if he has sided with you, you would have told me "There you have it, straight from Hustler. Now do you believe it?"

    Your court anaolgy is amusing with all due respect, but not a very accurate representation of how it works. You're not the only one here to have been involved in court cases before.

    Re-read the man's reply to me. He does not say that it can't mow at top speed. He does say that it is designed basically for transport, but can be used under ideal conditions to mow when they present themselves.

    I find it very interesting that you know Hustlers intent better than the man they have hired to represent them, and to answer questions like mine. As I said, if he would have told me I was wrong, you would more than likely have sung his praises and rubbed my nose in it. He didn't agree with you, so now you want to discount/discredit his statement?
  2. mtmower

    mtmower LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Mick, I had called Hustler a couple weeks ago on a non-related item and talked to Dan (didn't get a last name). After talking to me a little I picked his brain on any updates, new models, etc. Asked about fixes for the VX4 discharge and brought up you and your issue up. He laughed and said he just got back from down under visiting dealers and wish he'd been aware. Australia is part of the territory he covers. I gave him your LS screen name. He seem genuinely interested and acted as if he'd attempt contacting you. Figure it couldn't hurt. Hope he gives you the silver bullet.
  3. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Man, I dont know what to say but, thank you very much! I would like nothing more than to sing the praises of all aspects of the SZ, Im over the tank issue (pointless stressing about it) but the discharge is another matter.

    I have been in contact with the importers here, its how I got the ok to do those mods but havent had any help with it, except from my friendly local Scag dealer.

    I truly hope to hear from him!

    Again, thanks a heap mate!
  4. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    All speed can be considered transport speed if the mower is moving from one point to another, so we'll just say some of us prefer to mow at top transport speed more than at the slower transport speeds, but don't let anyone say you can't mow grass at a Super Z's top speed because it is done every day, and I've done it with many different Super Z mowers for over 10 yrs.

    Mowing grass at a Hustler Super Z's top speed has definitely be proven by many different testimonies (including "Mickhippy"), and for someone to say the calculations to not work due to lack of blade strikes for this to be possible, well, let's just say the calculator must be off.


    "Re-read the man's reply to me. He does not say that it can't mow at top speed. He does say that it is designed basically for transport, but can be used under ideal conditions to mow when they present themselves."

    It could also be said, "he does not say that the top speed is designed basically for mowing, but will also be used for transport in certain situations." This would sound more reasonable since the word "transport" is never mentioned by Hustler in any written form.
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  5. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Speaking of top speed, watch this but pay attention at 10.32 and listen to what he says when he gets back to the cam. I cracked up!
  6. puppypaws

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    I like the Cheetah, and I believe the Scag Velocity Plus deck is probably the best all-around deck on the market. With that said, this grass is at a thickness and dryness level enabling it to be cut perfectly. I could go pass for pass beside him at the speed he was running, and a person could not tell with the naked eye which mower cut each pass.

    I think, which he did not mention, but his cut was pretty equal in what he described as the larger grass at the higher speed, which would have been in the 15 mph range, if the actual speed with blades turn off and deck up is truly 16 mph.

    I think someone said you could not cut at that speed without leaving uncut grass, and this was due to the blades not turning fast enough according to his calculations...WRONG...and I think this gentleman even brought that out when saying, to cut grass at maximum speed the property would need to be perfectly smooth, he is basing that statement from a ride standpoint, and says nothing about it not being able to cut grass at that speed.

    I watched his mower as he moved over this property, and it would be considered relatively smooth, if not, he would've had a hard time staying in the seat while crossing it at top speed, and as you noticed, there was no problem.
  7. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I like the Scag as well for the fact that they are built like art but the overall design is no match for the Super,the Super being so simple in design and less joints parts and so forth is what makes it a 15 MPH mower that can take the punishment that mowing at 15 MPH brings with it over rough terrain without having to wrench the chasses because of how simply made they are.
  8. puppypaws

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    You know a mower can't cut grass at 15 mph, the blades (according to someone's calculations) just can't turn fast enough to hit all the standing grass...but this is a facetious statement, just added that because many will take take the statement as what I actually believe.

    I will totally agree with you on this point, there is no ztr built today with the strength and simplicity of a Hustler Super Z, and this is the reason I continue to buy the Super Z over other mowers. I do want to run a Cheetah for a comparison, and the first thing I will do is check the speed by distance and time, which is more accurate than GPS.
  9. GMLC

    GMLC LawnSite Platinum Member
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    You said it yourself, math is math. Numbers are numbers whether a distance/time calculation or blade tip speed/area calculation.

    I know for a fact that Scag not only reccomends not mowing at top speed they dont even recommend mowing in high gear on the cheetah's 2 speed trans. Apparently Hustler feels the same way. And im sorry you get different answers depending on who you talk to at Hustler. That speaks volumes in itself!!
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  10. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
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    You can't mow everything at top speed but I was able to mow 2 week old bahai with a Super in the summer as long as it was not to thick at top speed,the XR7 was specifically designed for that.

    I wqs real skeptical as well until I bougt one back in 06. :)
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