Now that I had to pay my gate fees to get into some upscale areas, I cannot believe my eyes. I mean, I knew there were lots of bad DIY lighting and pathetic lighting jobs around, but... Yesterday I went to demo for an unsatisfied homeowner. The focal point of his existing lighting was from the porch only, with only the bottom 15 feet of extremely tall pines out by the road being down-lighted, with Vista up-light bullets (stop for a second and read this sentance again). A solo path light existed at the very end of a 150 foot run, and it probably had about 4 volts. All the cable runs for the property were inside the pine needles, on the surface. Then I remembered a local irrigation distributor for a large national landscape supply company. I asked what kind of tools (spades, etc.) he had for trenching for landscape lighting cable. He snapped, "Just lay it in the mulch." Nice advice. Same place has no timers or photo cells in stock, and no multitap's. Just a big "Vista" sign out front. Aisles and aisles of irrigation parts. Am I the only one who hates the whole irrigation distributor model for lighting? I understand many are knowledgeable with lighting, but all the ones in my town are ignorant on installations and are not fully stocked. They push aluminum in a coastal region. Some want to charge me cable by the foot, at like 200% higher than I get normally, including shipping. All this has no effect on me directly, since I'll just order from a lighting distributor/specialist, but I am the one that has to deal with the mess in the wake of these idiots that light jobs upside down and backwards. And I'm just a beginner. This stuff must kill you guys.