well, it is 50lbs. the cost depends on where you live, and how much you buy since it is shipped direct to you. I think $50 is the highest you would pay, but contact tim kehoe with One App, he is who i got it from. Great guy.
anyways, also this is a product that is a 7-8 mo fertilizer with cavalcade pre emergent. it is designed to be put down in march and april time frame depending on you climate. it is a midwest blend, but he can blend in several types for zone,.
also, there is other belnds without pre on it, that you can get varying amounts of time out of for different uses. i have many ideas on where a few of these types could be very useful in my program and in the future.
also to answer another question from teejet, no you cant do 4lbs per K with this, it is a 7.5-8lbs per K product and would not release the way it was designed, you would have to use a different blend. if you want to understand more, read up on the duration cr fertilizer products, as there are many different "timed" release products and can be blended with one another to create whatever you would want a fertilizer to do. pretty cool
Hmm... thanks for all the great info and answering the ????'s. On the pre-E I am not familiar with that type, is it similar to barricade or ronstar? what is the typical duration of that, surely you will not get that long (7 months) out of it would you? Typically pre's are only good for 4 to 6 months. On the price... that is a lot better than I thought, that product is sounding more attractive all the time.
Is there an ideal time to lay it? say Feb and Oct.? It is probably too late right now correct?
Ok, I am done bombarding you with all my questions, I have really got a lot out of this thread and continue to do so, I wish the guy you mentioned would come on here and discuss a bit as well.
lush&green - that looks likes some really healthy KBG for sure. Cool We've been using Agrium slow-release fert this year with similar results. (XCU vs PPSCU = the same thing IMO).
This is the most recent pic I can offer regarding slow-release + BWC. "All Green" (out of Sioux City) treated this acreage in Onawa, IA about a month ago with 30% slow 20-0-5 XCU and a 3-way herbicide. Before that, it was a weedy, messy hay field. This property is now mowed every two weeks. Not bad for a low maintenance area. The property belongs to Michaels restaurant where the car show was held on June 19.
1st pic is of the acreage in Onawa, IA
2nd pic is in front of Michael's restaurant where we attended a car show yesterday. Car on the right (T/A Challenger) I sold to a Viet Nam Vet (friend). Car on the left is my convertable. Guy on the right is one of my guys. Guy on the left owns the yellow T/A and was wounded 3 times in Nam. Notice his Nebraska plates...."I Lied", cuz his T/A now has a 440 six pack instead of the original 340 six pack.
yes it is too late, cavalcade is barricade, and it needs to applied early. waste of time now. the barricade is the same, only the fert is duration. i believe they attach the pre emergent to the small amount of amonical nitrogen that they put in the blend to give an initial release of fertilizer. no different from any other type, just different app rate of the product, understand?
well, we did got almost 2 weeks without rain, moderate temps, and it showed no signs of drought when plenty of other lawns were . you could really tell the fertilizer had quit giving for a moment, it was different than other fertilizers. hard to explain. oh, and it still grew pretty darn well during this time. now, we have had more than plenty of rain here for a couple of weeks or so, a bunch in the last week, and it does not grow any more than any other time save maybe once during late april
Thought some may want to take a look at some pics of my lawn now in its 5th consecutive year treated with One AP. Id like to say it only had 5 applications in 5 years but Ill come clean. I added a boost of about ¾ LB N with Ammonium Sulfate before my oldest Sons HS Graduation Party in June of 2007 otherwise its been fertilized 5 times in 5 years. My youngest sons grad party was a week and a half ago and I held off any temptations and kept it pure One AP as it has been the last 3 years. This years treatment was April 6th 78 days ago. 2.5LB N/1000. I have irrigation but Ive only turned on once about a month ago. Weve had very wet weather the last month in Chicagoland. I did two applications of Mancozeb seven days apart about two to three weeks ago. I saw some dollar spot starting and wanted a perfect lawn for the Party. The grass type is a mix of Turf Type Tall Fescue with Perennial Ryegrass.
My neighbor to the left is a 5 step (leading retail product) guy. This year hes treated two applications and yes his lawn does look pretty nice for a week or two after application which gives me some competition. Right now Im catching him when it looks like he needs another application. Like I said weve had a bunch of rain the last month and its added to the leaching of the mostly quick release program.
I treat my neighbor to the right with One AP and he has had only 5 treatments in 5 years. His lawn is a Blue Rye mix.
Im also taking daily photos with a stationary security camera and plan to have a time laps presentation for this years winter One AP meetings. I always take photos in October when the leaves change colors which I think is the real McCoy but I always get the question of how it looked at different stages throughout the year so Ive committed myself to do that this year.
I sold IBDU in the 90's and went up against Osmocote and Polyon all the time. I can't say bad things about the idea of using it other than to say that these technologies are definitely temperature sensitive and the pores that release the nitrogen will expand in higher temperatures and release more nitrogen. I would expect it to be totally played out by late summer in a hot year.
Hineline,
One of the positive aspects of the Duration or Polyon technology is that depending on how you build the blended product with the different release types would dictate when it would be played out. Not sure of the details of what you went against in the 90s but its possible the Polyon blended types you compared with was not intended for a once a year application. I disagree that the technology is only temperature released. Both temperature and moisture needs to be present for release. The product noticeably will begin to stop releasing when entering a drought period even in higher temps in the summer months.
hmmmm... nice looking yard, and house for that matter. So you seem fairly happy with it? I am curious how careful you have to be in spreading. If your paths are too narrow or even too wide are there stripes of any kind or splotches? Also, if it was put down too heavy or even too light what issues would THIS fertilizer give? Also, too rainy or too dry what effects?
Just curious... not that you or anybody else is going to purposely spread light or heavy, I was wondering if you got explosive growth from too much and then deal with that for the next 8 to 10 months or what?
jsf343,
Ill help you with some of your questions. The SiFi/One AP product spreads extremely nice. Many have said it was the best spreading product they have ever spread. Misapplications are rare but they have happened. Like with all fertilizers I encourage the operator to watch their left to right spread pattern and make any adjustments. Most striped applications are due to an overthrow to one side. Duration moves through the spreader a bit easier than other raw materials so it tends to slide off the impeller faster so adjustments may have to be made when switching from a conventional fertilizer.
I strongly encourage SiFi/One AP users to spread at the recommended rates with the proper products for the growing zone. Cutting One AP in half and applying twice will not achieve the same results and will cost the operator more time and labor. Yes, if its over applied it will release more just like any conventional fertilizer. I dont see a lot of over applications mostly under applications with new users.
We have a spreading guide called Tech Helper that can be found on our website. www.one-ap.com
I would be more worried about putting it down on hard ground and having someone that mows in the same tracks, crushing the prills. I have seen the green tracks from the 50 percent slow release when people do this. Also what if you have a thin step slope and the prills wash down the slope that is alot of fert at the bottom.
Teejet,
This concern comes up a bunch but Ive NOT found that the Duration would crush under the weight of a large mower. I had the same concern when I first began marketing One AP. The granular works its way into the thatch and even into the soil a bit protecting it from the weight of the mower. In the fall we have field days at properties treated 6-7 months earlier. The turf looks great so you know there is some Duration present releasing but theyre hard to find. I have to incentivize the attendees with $5 bills. 5 Bucks for Duration granules found in the planting beds and 10 bucks for ones found in the turf. After Im out of money everyone comes together with what they found. Generally well have a collection of different Duration granules in different stages of release. Finding the ones in the turf are tough thats why I have to give 10 bucks each. They are found deep in the thatch usually at the soil surface.
Ive not found that the product would wash down a slope. Like I said the product finds its way down into the thatch quickly. In fact nutrient from Duration would be much more stable on slopes compared to quick release nitrogen.
Teejet,
To back up what Grassman said. Duration is a very efficient nitrogen source. When leashing and volatility is nearly eliminated the product becomes much more efficient. You would want to reduce the total yearly nitrogen used in a conventional program by 40-50%. We recommend our northern blends at 2-2.5LB-N/1000 and our transition blends 2.5-3LB-N/1000
so what size are the bags? 50 LBS.? how much is a bag? My guess is some where around $50 to $80.00 a bag since it is a one time a season deal, yes?
When is the most ideal time they recommend laying it?
jsf343,
Our price is set by the market by our distributors so I can not specifically tell you what the price would be in your market. I can tell you that it is driven by economics as everything is. Its nice that the product offers exceptional turf for the operators customers but bottom line the business owner wants to make more money. This product will do this.
Hmm... thanks for all the great info and answering the ????'s. On the pre-E I am not familiar with that type, is it similar to barricade or ronstar? what is the typical duration of that, surely you will not get that long (7 months) out of it would you? Typically pre's are only good for 4 to 6 months. On the price... that is a lot better than I thought, that product is sounding more attractive all the time.
Is there an ideal time to lay it? say Feb and Oct.? It is probably too late right now correct?
Ok, I am done bombarding you with all my questions, I have really got a lot out of this thread and continue to do so, I wish the guy you mentioned would come on here and discuss a bit as well.
I think you got this but Cavalcade is Prodiamine the same as Barricade. Depending on the grass types and growing zone we would recommend different rates. Prodiamine is a nice partner with SiFi/One AP products. We recommend early application for SiFi/One AP. The Prodiamine is highly insoluble and is depended on soil bacteria to degrade the product so the Prodiamine is laying at the soil surface for up to two months before those soil temps come up enough to have the soil bacteria present to begin the clock of degrading. For the north if we get 3-4 months of control from that start time well have enough protection. For the transition zone the rates come up and in some markets a second application of Prodiamine may be needed as it would in a conventional program.
As for when to put down for your market I would need to know a bit more information. My college son took a summer job last year in Portland and stayed (nice area Im told that happens a lot) so Ive visited twice in the last year and I have a bit of an idea. I think your growing season is a little longer than the northern zone so we would probably want to recommend the transition zone product probably a March application. My wife and I are planning a trip later this summer to Portland and maybe we can get together for lunch.
Salt Lake City is the closest for One AP. Depending on the quntities we would be able to ship to Oregon. Go to the SiFi website www.spreaditandforgetit.com click on your state and I think Agrium may have a location for their SiFi products.
i know i am so far impressed, and it does not grow much different now then in spring which could be a good or bad thing! some lawns i do are fine with much less fert over a year than others, those would not be a good candidate for this, but lawns that are on contract for a yearly service it will come in handy, as also the ones that seem to lose color easily etc. i will have to sell this to some folks, but some i want to use it no matter what as it will help greatly.
some lawns i really look forward to slow down in growth rate come warmer weather and the one app product does not let up so far, still growing very well
This is my lawn right now as it is july 4 2010. it has had a few supplemental irrigations. it did get brown patch as well as many others of many types of fescue here in early june. I sprayed it with eagle and protect fungicides one week ago. in a couple more weeks, all the damage will be outgrown and gone.
the lawn is still very green and it has been hot and humid once again with some rain possible over the next two days and as we speak. it grows well and as it is in this picture is 5 days after cutting(as in i cut it last tuesday at the usual 4in. we have had some windy days so there is debri in the lawn, i will get some pics fresh mowed for all you fans and curious folk.
pics after a cut, i wish there was not so much tree debri, but i did not want to double cut to chop it finer since the storms have made alot of trash in lawns.
still green and nice!
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