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I'm venting, I'm Ticked and I need a reality check

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by cpritch, Apr 7, 2006.

  1. cpritch

    cpritch LawnSite Member
    Messages: 77

    I come home for lunch today, greeted by my 4 beautiful dogs. . .:rolleyes: I take them for their walk, eat lunch and there is a stir outside which riles them all up. . .this is not at ALL unusual. The wind blowing drives them all out of doors to bark so I think nothing of it. They are out in the yard running the fence barking and whooping it up when I leave. I step outside to get back to work and what do I see. . . Tru Green Chem Lawn at my neighbor's house. Two guys, one spraying the front, one spraying the back. Nevermind that the wind was blowing a steady 25-30 mph today, I stood there at my truck and watched the guy in the back yard, who was spraying right up to and at my fence, which is a wooden 5' pickett fence. Well, my dogs are up against that fence barking at this applicator and he is basically spraying whatever the chemical of the day is right at them. Lividly, psychotically angry would not even begin to describe my feelings at that point.

    Nevermind that our yard/lot is lower and that everything from his yard flows into our yard just at the hint of rain, or if he decides to run his sprinkler system all night which is typically the case.

    So, calmly (or, so I think. . .) I walk up to the applicator and ask him to please not spray near the fence because of the dogs. He assures me that the chemicals are safe, that no harm will come to the dogs because of what they are spraying, blah, blah, blah. I say, that's great, but nonetheless, I would really appreciate it if you could just not spray near the fence. Then comes the whole "well, the property line is at your fence. . ."

    So, before I go start a lot of sh*t with my neighbor, any suggestions? Just live with it? I'm thinking of putting up a plastic sheet along my fence on that side with big signs on it saying "KEEP SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS AWAY FROM FENCE" to give my neighbor a small hint. :laugh:

    I know there really isn't anything that I can do. And I know that I'm overly sensitive about chemicals in general...my husband would attest to that. And I know that organics aren't necessarily safer than synthetics, but I can honestly say that what I've put on my yard so far this year IS SAFER (compost and corn gluten) and it's hard for me to look at someone clothed in a rubber suit from his feet to his hips, from his hands to his elbows telling me that what they are spraying is "safe." Okay, if it's "safe", why all the gear??
  2. sheshovel

    sheshovel LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,112

    Call his boss and tell him what happened and that you are going to file suit if his applicators continue to apply chemicals in windy conditions and if anything happens to your dogs.Get some pics of him doing it too.
  3. Microbe

    Microbe LawnSite Member
    Messages: 172

    How can organics BE JUST AS DANGEROUS AS CHEMICALS? Impossible I say to the least! You'll never find me spraying 2,4D which is a toxic poison anywhere on any of my property. The only thing I spray is compost tea's and kelp which IS FULLY EDIBLE AND FULLY NON TOXIC TO DOGS, PEOPLE, EVEN A MOUSE! You need to do some more reading, because a comment like that is just outragous and completely FALSE!!!!!! Give me one example of how organics can be harmful to A LIVING ANIMAL OR PERSON? Just one..... I understand that if a guy who doesn't know his a$$ from his elbow spilled a huge bag of bio solids on the ground which I NEVER USE, and a dog ate it, then mabye..... But in no way would a package of praying mantis eggs, or lady beetles be in anyway be as HARMFUL as MELETHION or any "TRUGREEN, LESCO, POISON which does nothing anyway, except KILL all that it touch's.

    Now if that was my lawn, and my property, I would have ran inside, gotten my video camera or photo camera, TAKEN PHOTO"S OR VIDEO AND CALLED MY LAWYER!!!!! He never sent you out a notice right? THEY NEVER DO! You could have had a pretty substantial law suit. I would have sue'd for a few 100,000 for "PSYCHOLOGICAL, PHYSICAL damage, and ENDANGERING THE WELFARE OF AN ANIMAL," or to somehting of that measure! Be peace with your neighbor she/he doesn't know any better....... THey just hired the WORST SERVICE KNOWN TO MAN KIND, but yet has the largest marketing service around......... TRUE GREEN IS TRUE DANGER!!!!!!
  4. Norm Al

    Norm Al LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,227

    you do realise that trugreen only sprays water right?
  5. cpritch

    cpritch LawnSite Member
    Messages: 77

    The reason that I say that is because of examples like this: I ran across a "recipe" for an organic insecticide which uses Rhubarb leaves. There was a note at the bottom of the recipe stating that "rhubarb leaves contain oxytin, which if ingested by humans, will cause them to have a heart attack and die." How is that safe? When I think of using things in and outside of my home, I want to know that my husband, my dogs, any neighbor kids, whatever, can practically eat the stuff and walk away with a little more protein possibly, but that's it.

    I'm all about organics, seriously, but you still have to be careful with what you are doing. I've seen people say that a million times on this board alone. I didn't mean to offend you, or anyone by saying that. And you're right, I still have A LOT to learn, so I'll get back to reading. :waving:

    And no, there was no notification that they were coming, but you can bet I'll be making some calls today. Thanks!
  6. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,341

    I have eaten rhubar for years and I aint dead yet. Matter of fact, I like it and grow it in my garden.
  7. 1MajorTom

    1MajorTom Former Moderator
    Messages: 6,073

    You eat the stalk though not the leaves right? Rhubar is great, ever have rhubar pie?
  8. Up North

    Up North LawnSite Bronze Member
    from MN
    Messages: 1,063

    ahhhhh, can't wait till our rhubarb breaks ground! My wife makes several rhubarb pies each year, very tasty indeed. She's got a few rhubarb desert recipes that are awesome.

    Anyway, getting back to the thread...now I know it seems like it may have been too windy to be spraying on that particular day, but in reality if you pay TruGreen or anyone for that matter to come out and fert a lawn, I'd hope they'd spray right up to the fence. If it was my lawn and they didn't spray my entire lawn...I'd have a problem with it. And personally if it were my dog (or dogs in this case) and if my neighbor was having their lawn sprayed it'd be up to me as a dog owner to keep them away from that area, I can't expect the neighbor to watch out for my dogs on my property. In your scenario, other then spraying in too much wind I don't see anything wrong with what the applicators did.

  9. TurfProSTL

    TurfProSTL LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 693

    Organics, as you call them, are made up of chemicals. Everything is. Ever heard of nicotine?

    What's that stuff you tree huggers use for grubs? Milky spore disease hurts (some) grubs. Insects would be animals.

    See? Anything used incorrectly can have negative effects.

    It's malathion. And your chemical paranoia has you posting like a raving idiot. :dizzy:

    Not all states require neighbor notification. The applicator should not have been applying if the wind was blowing at 25 mph. I would report the incident to the state pesticide licensing agency! BTW, the customer has the right to have every inch of their property serviced whether adjoining neighbors like it or not.


    I don't think you help your anti-chemical agenda one bit with mindless rants like these.....
  10. NattyLawn

    NattyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,643

    TurfPro...You make some good points, but why do you have to throw stuff in like tree hugger? If using an IPM appraoch to chemicals or none at all, is that so bad? So many LCO's and homeowners for that matter see something wrong and just dump chemicals down without even thinking about other methods of correcting the problem, and the effect on the environment. Most just go with the easiest method out there. If putting down none or using an IPM appraoch to chemicals, I hope there are a lot of treehuggers out there.

    Wasn't there a thread about a year or so ago where you (TurfPro) said you would roll around in the turf an hour after a weed control app because the label said it was OK to do?

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