my intention when starting this wasn't to start a debate about which is better. I know about the tax benefits as well as many more reasons to buy new that are justified. The point I was hoping to make was that if your a lawn guy maybe starting to get into heavier landscaping this may be another option that would work long enough to test the water of a new venture and perhaps even longer. I thought there would be others that have done well by using older trucks and could share those experiances. There are plenty of threads about the latest greatest truck and few about the older ones that may be helping to start a business or expand it to a point where a newer truck is a better option. Some of the older trucks definitly have issues, but at the same time there are a few brands that have proven reliable and inexpensive too maintain. If I was putting 40,000 miles a year on a dump then definitly I would look for a newer truck. Also, my trucks look good for an older vehicle definitly presentable. I have had more than one GC comment positively on the truck. You do bring up a good point on presentation and an old rust bucket isn't what I was thinking of when starting the thread.