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Integrated or Separate

Discussion in 'Homeowner Assistance Forum' started by cfranzen, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. cfranzen

    cfranzen LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    I am in the marked for a ZTR to cut my 3 acres. Don't need anything monstrous, currently cut with t 6 year old craftsman tractor 54" 24hp briggs. Takes about 1hr 40 min. All pretty wide open. I am very interested in the Ferris Is500z. Looks like a great machine, sans the briggs motor everyone bags on. Current briggs intek motor has 200+ hours and has been flawless so far. Was also looking at Toro, Gravely and yes bad boy. Trying to stay south of $6,000 and don't really want used. I see the difference in drive system between Ferris and these others listed. Ferris has the separate pumps and wheel moters where everyone else has the integrated like the hydro pump 3100 or something similar. Which is a better system?
  2. Bigfish8

    Bigfish8 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 56

    You are currently in the same spot I was in at the beginning of March as I was trying to decide the right ZTR for my needs. To address your specific question take a look at the machines the pros are running. I believe you will find they will all have separate wheel motors. As you continue to evaluate mowers it will become a difficult task to decide what do you buy. You will find most most mowers in the same price range have similar features. The key is to chose a dealer that you believe has a good reputation for helping his customers.

    Good luck.
  3. cfranzen

    cfranzen LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Did you end up buying anything?
  4. jkingrph

    jkingrph LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 812

    Agree that all have seperate wheel motors. It would be hard to make a true ZTR without. How else could one be going forward and the other reverse at the same time without some complex gearing, plus being slow to shift ect.

    Most have one pump, I understand some have two pumps, one for each motor.
  5. cfranzen

    cfranzen LawnSite Member
    Messages: 27

    Agree, but I think my question was misunderstood or not worded well on my end. For instance it seems alot of ztr's are using the Hydro Drive 3100, 3400 or 5400 systems where the pump and wheel motor are basically all one unit. At least this is what I understand. If you look at the Ferris models specifically, the pumps sit up on top of the frame while the wheel motors are a completely separate component. So the question is, which is a better system. I can see how the latter would have more oppurtunity for leaks because of the fluid lines to and from. Thoughts?
  6. Bigfish8

    Bigfish8 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 56

    Yep, a Toro Z500 and a Gravely Compact Pro! Very happy with both so far!
  7. omti

    omti LawnSite Member
    Messages: 1

    cfranzen, I just sent you a message.
  8. mtmower

    mtmower LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,111

    I run the big stuff and am looking to buy another new one now. At this point I don't think integrated or separate makes a difference. My Hustler Super Zs are separate but Bad Boy, Husqvarna, Gravely, and many other are integrated and are at the same level of commercial quality. The only one that really stands out is the new Hustler Super Z. If you have time they have good videos explaining their hydro system which is now way overkill, but this is on their 13k flagship not in their mid line mowers.

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