Interesting Find

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  1. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
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    The 14 ga wiring was eliminated without question in the first few minutes.

    Testing all pointed toward the multistrand.
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  2. irritation

    irritation LawnSite Gold Member
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    Wired rain sensor only tied into one of the commons.
  3. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
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    No sensor and bypass selected at the clock.
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  4. jcr4au

    jcr4au LawnSite Member
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    Multiple valves run on one control wire?
  5. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
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    Most clocks will support 2 valves and a MV.

    When multiple valves are wired in parallel the resistance will be equally divided between the solenoids.

    Valves wired in series will measure the sum of all solenoids.
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  6. jbell36

    jbell36 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    my next guess will be #4 common tied into #5...

    No? ok, i'll get working on my next guess..
  7. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
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    I said that this was an interesting find, i didn't say that it made total sense. Here goes:

    I eliminated the nos. 1 & 2 stations because they measured within range, shared continuity with only themselves and passed the short to earth measurements.

    That left me with 6 stations to work with.

    When testing the resistance on both commons to the stations i was just looking for a break in continuity, what i got was a series of measurements that made me think taking a late Sunday afternoon gig may not have been as much fun as i thought it would be.

    I separated the commons and tested each against the terminal strip and got continuity on both commons to all stations. Now i am really thinking this job was a bad idea.

    I labled the commons, counted the wires coming into the clock and the used wires and come up with 11 separate valves on the multi runs. 1 + 1 + 11 = 13 valves on 8 stations.

    I wrote all of the measurements down for each station in relation to their common (those i posted) and started shaking my head.

    3-7-8 seemed to be either the problem or the result of the problem with 100 ohms on com 1 and near 60 ohms on com 2

    4-5-6 seemed pretty close to ganged pairs on com 1 but spread to a 50+ ohm difference on com 2.

    Since all of the measurements were pretty much out of the ordinary i began looking for either a pattern or a break in pattern.

    Station 6 broke the pattern. I had a wider range than the others, was the only station with a single wire and i just felt that since i have to start somewher i may as well start with 6.

    I took the battery out of the clock (it was fairly new) and started bumping the stations with it.

    1 & 2 were front yard rotors and functioned well.

    3 was in the front yard on the south of the drive. 2 zones ganged at the clock, bumped them separate and together. Worked well.

    Repeted this on 4 & 5 with the same results.

    When i bumped 6 only 1/2 of the zone watered. The owner was there to tell me what was going on.

    7 & 8 worked well but i couldn't bump both valves on either at the same time.

    I found the VB's with the station 6 valves in them. One of them was a valve that i located previously. The HO repaired the valve and wired it in series and since it was on a single wire that ran through it, it was easy to ID.

    While i was rewiring the valve i rewired all of the splices in the box.

    That is when i found the 3rd common and it supported valves for stations 3-7-8.

    Went to the controller and fired all of the stations manually from the clock.

    I then did something stupid and set up a test program, ran it and did not erase any of the programs.

    Freaking thing kept starting over. When i called to see if it worked ok the HO said she shut it down after the second cycle. I stopped by and reset the clock and all is well.

    I don't know why the system did not work at all before i fooled with it, why it worked afterwards, why i got lucky if i did.

    That is the story, i am sticking to it. BTW there wound up being 14 valves
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  8. 1idejim

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    As an afterthought

    3= 12

    When i measured the stations with the commons connected and my DMM no longer hummed on 6-7-8.

    Station 6 was split between 2 VBs and one of them was the closest to the controller.
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  9. Wet_Boots

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  10. jbell36

    jbell36 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    i mean, i guess i was on the right track...

    this system sounds like a nightmare

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