Just gly’d this so i can start over with better seed!

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  1. Garrett1234

    Garrett1234 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Lawn reno started today. First round of gly down. turf is PRG with an attempted KBG overseeding. Size 12k sq ft. Reason for Reno due to an older “stringy” type of PRG. Did a March addition of top rated seed with tttf and kbg and color is putting this to shame, required less water, less fert, and mows cleaner.
    After another round of gly (if needed) the plan is:
    -Scalp it (bagged)
    -Aerate the living daylights out of it (6+ passes)
    - tenacity app
    - apply 10 lbs seed per 1k sqft (thinking 3lbs kbg and 7 lbs tttf)
    - use a drag
    - roll it (debating this)
    - apply starter fert
    - water water water water
    -other debated steps (very limited top soil or Pete moss) or just straw it?
    - possibly replacing drag and rolling with a few cultivator passes?

    Open to any suggestions. Please don’t hold back if you have a bullet proof method or I’m missing anything

    Sidenote (not using starter with meso due to already owning tenacity.)
     
  2. hort101

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    Whats the existing soil like?
    Ph? Rocky?
     
  3. agrostis

    agrostis LawnSite Silver Member
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    I don't think rolling is necessary. The TTTF is going to shade out the KBG seedlings. Avoid straw if you can, there are weed seeds galore in that stuff. I have a ear of corn growing right now on the side of a driveway i strawed 2 years ago.
     
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    Garrett1234 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Thanks y’all. Existing soil very sandy. And bahaha on the ear of corn! It’s on a slope so during original planting used straw to help with the birds and somewhat help the erosion. But I think the straw can be eliminated also (for the weed potential as you stated and I think erosion will be much less with the conditions it’ll be left with). Thank you.
    In regards to rolling, thank you, as that part is one of my least favorites. I believe the kbg choke out is obviously up for issue, however I keep the tttf incredibly short once it germs for the first 30 days allowing a better chance for the kbg to come in. Previous experience had pretty okay results.
    This is first reno however, always done from scratch so please any other feedback appreciated and welcome.
     
  5. hort101

    hort101 LawnSite Fanatic
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    Compost
    Imo nows your time to fix issues and improve your soil
    Theres also some newer penn straw thats better seen on here
     
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    Garrett1234 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Hi Hort. At what stage might you add the compost. I’ll take a gander on pricing locally for that. Thank you
     
  7. hort101

    hort101 LawnSite Fanatic
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    Some like to topdress then aerate some aerate first
    I dont see a clear advantage either way but someone might have compared and have answer

    Btw that lawn looks nice in the picture
     
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    Garrett1234 LawnSite Senior Member
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    thank you Hort. It was a very difficult decision to kill it. However the results from the “Test lawn” (couple thousand sq ft) I did was so amazing, I just couldn’t let it go.
    In regards to compost: I’m willing to bet the following allows for best of both worlds
    Aerate
    1/4 rate seed apply
    Compost
    3/4 rate seed apply
    You bring a good point with compost.
     
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    hort101 LawnSite Fanatic
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    It could be leaf compost, composted cow manure, other animal or debris compost
    In that order with debris compost be ready for weeds and getem earlyThumbs Up

    And water after and appropriately to get good germination
     
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