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Kawisaki engine bad on toro??? suggestions please.

Discussion in 'Starting a Lawn Care Business' started by DillonsLawnCare, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. DillonsLawnCare

    DillonsLawnCare LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,100

    well, why do people sell this higher octane fuel if it has no purpose. why do they have 3 different gases when they only need one from what your saying. what is the purpose of super unleaded or mid-grade unleaded if it all just burns the same...??? :clapping: :drinkup: :cool2: :weightlifter: :usflag:
  2. Eric D

    Eric D LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 295

    Well, how about money.

    Eric D
  3. DillonsLawnCare

    DillonsLawnCare LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,100

    besides that!
  4. Big Red Ferris

    Big Red Ferris LawnSite Member
    Messages: 119

    put a carb kit in it and put new seals on the intake been there done that
  5. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 21,653

    I'm not arguing that Wawa super might be worse than Amoco regular, nor am I guaranteeing an engine won't have problems, the stupid debate can go on and on much like with the folks who never pay... It's not about the issue at hand anymore, now it becomes some endless debate about the ins and outs and the ifs ands and the buts, when and where does the argument stop?

    I really don't care if Lco's want to run recycled motor oil through an engine, but when a mower doesn't start and an Lco has NO experience rebuilding carburetors at $200 a fix, perhaps it isn't such an unprofitable idea to run a clean fuel in the first place.

    I'm saying if you buy the nice stuff then chances are you'll have less problems, pay at the pump or pay with your arm when it doesn't start, even starter cords are a pita to replace and 50 pulls are sure to put some wear on that. Back in the days when I ran regular I replaced a cord it seemed like monthly, not the same machine but between all of them... I got so sick and tired of stupid ropes breaking, but now with super it takes LESS strength to start it and I break 1 rope a year on average, maybe two, every single machine of mine except the Z is recoil start, I am sure I have at least a dozen recoilers between all of them, at least.

    It's not a HUGE difference either, 30-50 more cents per gallon for a cleaner fuel, impeccably clean it isn't, I'm sure a $20 drops fast this way, yes. But if small differences are not important then why do Lco's bother to use 90% germ rate seed instead of KY 31, the principle is the same, guys like me care about the end result and we ARE all about that.

    But either way you pay, profit gone at the pump, or profit gone in downtime and repairs.
    It really takes an hour when a rope breaks, how you look at it, by the time that stupid thing is back together IF you had the parts handy I guarantee it sets you back at least 20 minutes, there's $20 that way, in one fell swoop.
    The filters last longer, oh it's only a dollar, yeah plus the 10-15 minutes it takes to replace it, another $20.
    So I just pay at the pump and be done with it.
  6. DillonsLawnCare

    DillonsLawnCare LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,100

    yeah, i wasnt arguing, but i do run premium fuel in all my equipment.
  7. Eric D

    Eric D LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 295


    I don’t believe it is a “stupid debate”. What you do is totally up to you. But others read these threads and I think they deserve to here the facts as an opposed to someone’s feelings. Your assumption as I understand it, if you pay more money you get cleaner fuel and that premium fuel starts better then regular. Both of your assumptions are wrong. If need be I can quote the requirements, but in short, fuel is highly regulated and has to meet very stringent test. Many years back before fuel injectors and catalytic converters, and double walled storage tanks there may have been some truth to fuel brands and grades being different qualities. Yes, there maybe a bad station here and there and bad fuel could be part of it, but much less likely then ten to twenty years ago.

    Eric D
  8. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 21,653

    I never said it was a debate, I said it was an argument.
    And I also said I'm done with it, I am glad you run regular, please keep running it,
    thank you.
  9. txgrassguy

    txgrassguy LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,083

    Dude, you can repair this yourself - very easily.
    Simply locate the throttle cable, follow it down to the carburetor, and where the clamp that holds the cable in position is where you will make the adjustment.
    With the air cleaner off so you can see into the carburetor throat, loosen the clamp and with the throttle set in the choke position, move the cable until the choke plate fully seats. Then tighten the clamp and you are done.

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