Well, I was pretty impressed with the LED lighting demo. that I saw at the I.A. show in Phoenix earlier this week. Also, I wasn't aware that the upper end transformers made by Kichler had a toroidal core in them. So that was cool to learn. Anyway, the LED light demo. went like this; They had installed 3 LED spot lights about 12" in front of a wall, all about 12" apart from one another. All 3 lights were powered from the same wire, all on full power. The first light fixture was an FXL LED, the second was a Kichler LED and the third was a Vista Pro LED. I didn't note anything at this point other than the FXL one was noticeably more of a bright white light rather than a soft yellow glow like most halogen lights. But then the turned down the voltage with a dial. Once they reached about 10v, the two FXL and Vista Pro lights began to fade. You could see the circle of light on the wall start to get smaller and a little less bright. But the Kichler one remained just as strong and beam spread just as wide. Once they reached 9v, you could see an even more pronounced difference. The FXL and Vista Pro units were barely on but the Kichler unit was still exactly the same. At right about 8v, both the FXL and Vista Pro light fixtures went completely out. Kichler really didn't even start to dim until almost 6v. Then it pretty much just went totally off really quickly right around the lower end of the 6v range or maybe just below. Point is; the Kichler unit stayed pretty much totally bright, kept it's beam spread, and kept functioning just fine at anywhere from 7v-15v, while the others didn't have nearly that much range. Which is pretty cool. Because that means you could install quite a few of these on a daisy chain set up on a little smaller gauge wire (e.g. 12g) before you're voltage would ever get low enough for them to not perform properly. Anyway, I was pretty impressed. I'm thinking twice about delving into the LED market. I've still been sticking with mostly Unique Lighting fixtures with Xenon lamps. Just your regular LV lighting. But I'm seriously thinking that going Kichler LED could really start to lower my bids and get me more jobs. No more hubs, smaller wire, a return to the daisy-chain method (as much as I hate to say that), and much smaller transformers. I was also impressed with their 15 year warranty. I wondered if the lights might start to dim half way through their lifetime. They said if I ever [within the first 15 years] felt one of their fixtures was dimming even a little bit I could take it right back to my distributor and get a new one, no questions asked. I like that kind of warranty. The only thing I wasn't impressed with is the look of their spot light fixtures. I've never liked the look of them. When you compare it to the Unique Lighting 'Pulsar' spot that I'm used to using, they don't look anywhere NEAR as nice. Even the brass LED spot didn't look that nice. But I guess the focus shouldn't be on the fixture anyway, right? Focus should be on the effect. So maybe I need to quit worrying about how the fixture looks.