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Kichler Trip

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by LightYourNight, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Male, from Kingsland, Texas
    Messages: 2,214


    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    The truth really hurts doesn't it Nightscenes. If you and your cohorts are smart you'll let it be and hope not too many people read this. Otherwise I'll go into explicit detail on the other lovely ways that your association has treated people.
  3. niteliters

    niteliters LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 537

    coherts...let it be...is this 8th grade recess. If your smart, you'll let it be...throw your stones brother, this train is passing you by.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    And this coming from a guy who says "Your brother from a different mother" on every other post. Real creative.

    And you are a current bd member correct?
    You do not refute my statements so it is that you are angry
    because I won't keep your secrets that you attempt to mock me.

    Thank you because you just have proved my point .

    Buyer beware . Anyone who joins this organization you can expect the same treatment if you're not a part of the Good ole boys club.

    How foolish of you Chris to bring this thread to the top again for more to see.

    PS- You were not around at its inception. Why don't you do some investigating and find out where some of the money went during year 1. You'll find that association money was being used to pay the bills in 1 bd members business. Oh I'm sorry was that supposed to be hush hush too?

    Keep prodding I have more.
  5. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    holy crap.I hope thats not true.........:nono:
  6. NightLightingFX

    NightLightingFX LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 580

    I would like to make a comment about the "PRESENT DAY" AOLP.

    Some of the points Mike makes are interesting. And I know there are some political BS going on. I am VERY disappointed that Unique left - Talking to Joey I can understand why Unique left. I wish there was more acceptence of Unique by the AOLP. These are kind of disturbing aspects of the AOLP.

    On the other hand, I truely feel that the people controling the AOLP are trying hard to make it a good outdoor lighting organization. And despite what ever comments that are made about them they are good people with a passion for outdoor lighting. What I would REALLY like to see is everyone here making comments and reading about the AOLP join the AOLP and get involved. Help change the mood of the culture.

    Mike G, and Joey I realize the AOLP may have offended you personally, or your low voltage philosophy. I LOVE the AOLP but I don't share those ideas that may have offended you so much as to leave the organization. I think the AOLP is the best resource to make some possitive impact for low voltage lighting. If you guys were on board it would help make the organization more diverse and hopefully in time the the culture of the controling body will change and be more open to all kinds of low voltage ideas.

    I know understand that the AOLP has OFFENDED Mike G and Unique. I just want you to know that there are AOLP members that highly respect you and I would really like to see you turn the other cheek and be a member of the AOLP and hopefully improve the AOLP for the better.
  7. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    Thanks Ned! Most the poeple I talk to share your same feelings. The decision is out of my hands though. Like I stated before if it was up to me I would have stuck around but the company made this decision, not just Nate but the company and I work for the company! LOL I cant speak for Mike G. but he has a long history with this association and he has some strong reasoning as to why he personally left, 2 times!

    All in all, it is unfortunate...........we should strive to put this whole thing to bed and all move on. We have all said our piece 100 times in a 100 different ways and now it just becomes us vs. them and people taking shots at eachother for voicing a point of view. Mike G. has valid points and should not be critisized for voicing them as does the AOLP.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    Joey, I certainly would not have said it unless it was true.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    Joey thanks for your support. It's appreciated. Ned, after I left the first time I kept my feelings to myself and wished no harm to the AOLP. After this second round of abuse I'm not so forgiving. Bottom line is this . I am persona non grata and treated as such in the AOLP because I'm a contractor who is totally independent of the traditional manufacturer/distribution/sales rep way of doing business. This makes some people in this association very uneasy. In fact it scares the s out of them because they fear that others will follow and do what I do. In a nut shell they don't like my business model . As far as I can see Unique lighting does not have this fear or personal resentment for me.

    If I played by their rules and used their products I'd be carried through the halls of the hotel during conference and i'd be the nicest guy in the world in their eyes. This is the hypocricy that I speak of. Their words of Trying to advance the industry is just plain BS. As long as you follow the traditional system they've set up maybe. Try being an independent and you're treated like a leper. Not every manufacturer/distributor feels this way. But there are enough of them to exercise influence there.

    This association does alot of things wrong. Last spring I was told that my membership was going to be cancelled if I did not change my classification from a contractor member to a manufacturer and pay $2,400 within 30 days. The letter said that the bd consulted their manufacturer members and that was the consensus. How interesting, that's like asking the fox to watch the hen house. They felt threatened because I have my own products and they don't like it.
    What about 90% of the other contractor members who had no say in their off the cuff vote. They were never consulted. That's what I mean about the bd serving at the leisure of the manufacturer members. And this is a contractors association?

    Once I didn't respond to their letter they wrote me another letter and made it sound like they were doing me a favor. It said they had a vote and they made a new classification for me and wanted $600 or $800 I can't remember now.

    Once I didn't respond to that they took me off their message bd and when others asked what happened to me they said that I was banned for threatening someone in a message.

    That's a bunch of BS. They just wanted me gone once they weren't getting anymore of my money and so I wouldn't tell their membership what they did.

    Ironically My renewal letter this january was to renew as a contractor member for $175. It went right in the trash.

    I apologize to the majority of the members who are decent hard working people and who have their heart in the right place but I do not wish to give this association the benefit of the doubt any longer and keep my story quiet.

    Why should I with this kind of repetitive poor treatment.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    I Received a phone message yesterday from AOLP asking if I intended to renew my membership. :nono:

    Only time I hear from them is when they want renewal $.

    Read through this thread AOLP and you will undoubtedly come to your own conclusion. :dizzy:

    The check is in the mail

    See ya :waving:

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