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Knocking the flybynighter out of the game

Discussion in '<a href=http://www.plowsite.com target=_blank ?>Sn' started by FifthAve, Jan 29, 2001.

  1. FifthAve

    FifthAve Guest
    Messages: 0

    How much do you think a driver with his own plow should be payed per hour? How about if they use your rig? What do you think? $50? less-more? How much on average do you think you profit per hour pushing snow? Will the market bear more next winter-can we raise our prices- also what can we do as full time plowe contracters to take the weekend warior out of the game? Legislation,licencing?what di you think/
  2. FrankenScagMachines

    FrankenScagMachines LawnSite Platinum Member
    from IN
    Messages: 4,739

    Fifth Ave.,
    Why do you want to eliminate the "weekend warrior"? You're both out there for the same reason: Money. Yes, you might enjoy it more than the weekend warrior, but that doesn't matter to anybody does it? is there something i'm missing or why do you see it this way???
  3. plowking35

    plowking35 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from S.E. CT
    Messages: 1,687

    There is no way to totally get the the guys with a truck and plow looking for some quick cash out of the "game". We live in a free enterprise system, so they are allowed to play. The way around them is to change the rules of the game. You do that by service to the customer. You offer the customer services that the other guys just cant. One thing we do, is gaurantee that during heavy snow events we will dedicate a truck just for them. We have a network of subs that help out when the snow comes heavy. We have had to use this system 2x this year.
    Another way to distance yourself from the other guys, is to join SIMA (snow and ice management association)www.sima.org
    They are the only trade association for professional plowers and manufacturers.
  4. Mike Nelson

    Mike Nelson LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 416

    We also do sealcoating in the summer.Talk about fly by nighters in that business..
    I feel being in the snow business,you should already have your route by October and if Mrs.Jones waites to the last minute when it snows to call"Maybe she will wait to the last minute to pay"
    Just my 2 cents...
  5. Plowboy

    Plowboy LawnSite Member
    Messages: 35

    I would like a fair, un biased defintiion of a FBN, I fear I may be one. I farm full time, and use plowing snow for supplemental income to offset the expense of having 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I carry full commercial insurance, sign contracts with customers, and have people who can cover my lots if I am down with repairs. I don't ever have a route laid out untill the snow is over, because I always seem to get non commital customers who don't call untill it is already piling up. they pay dearly for this, because I operate on a first call first plowed basis.

    Any thoughts, I will be joining sima soon, but what am I.

  6. GeoffDiamond

    GeoffDiamond LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 1,651

    I don't think your a FBN.

    I am a utility contractor, we do a lot of new construction and underground work. We plow becase sometimes we are slow in the winter, and it adds to our income. We need 4X4 trucks so that was kinda how my dad got into to plowing, 50 plus years ago. We just plow a lot more now. Plowing keeps the equipment at work all year, and keeps the guys busy all year long.

    We have the proper insurance and equipment to do the jobs.

    I don't think very many people plow for their entire income. I do know John Parker or NY Snowpro's plows for all his income, and John Parker might be a close second. I think the rest of the guys on this forum, plow in the winter and do something else the rest of the year.

    So I don't think you are a FBN.

  7. diggerman

    diggerman LawnSite Senior Member
    from Iowa
    Messages: 702

    FBN guys have no insurance,only take cash,plan more than a couple weekend sking or snowmobiling,etc trips that require someone else to try and fill in,rarely have more than one truck,attempt to get accounts midseason,usually never keep the same accounts more than one year,over charge like crazy and for that do a really poor job, and are not looking to improve.
  8. MJ

    MJ LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 312

    Thanks, all. I'm glad to finally have a definition of a Fly by Night. I was getting pretty tired of having to defend myself if only to myself.

  9. Mike Nelson

    Mike Nelson LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 416

    Good Morning Gentleman,

    Just because you work somewhere else and do this part time doesn't classify you as FBN.There is a lot of money to be made from the poor soles that wait till the last minute!
    The way I took the question was how we could stop the FBN's from taking our work!As far as I am concerned they aren't taking my work.You will always have people who wait till the last minute to have their driveway or lot plowed(Human Nature).That's when you can make alot of money.Lets face the facts,we are not in this for the practice,we are here for the money!
    As far as NYSP and John Parker they only make money in the winter.Gary and I have other companies that do summer work.Hope someday we can just do snow.

    well just my 2 cents Good Luck to all...
  10. FrankenScagMachines

    FrankenScagMachines LawnSite Platinum Member
    from IN
    Messages: 4,739

    Mike nelson,
    you hit the nail square on the head... that's just the point i was driving at. there's no reason why the FBNs can't go out and make money off of foolish people who don't think ahead about snow. Consider the FBN a helper to you because they keep all the wait-till-the-last-minute people from calling you and bugging you while you're doing all the places you had contracts for. Why don't you all see it this way? I'm not a FBN, at age 13, but what's wrong with FBNs? they don't steal your business really...
    my $0.02 worth...if it's worth anything....

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