I wanted to thank everyone for there input on my last post about proposal writing it was very helpful. Now for another question you go meet a customer who wants her landscape redone. How do you go about quessing what they want to spend, because no one wants to give that info, and every professional knows how much a job could end up costing depending on how creative they want to be. I feel like i am shooting a dart into the darkness trying to give them what i think they want at a cost that i know is in their head, but they will not let me know. I know there have been post on design fees, but most people want a price to redo landscape and do not want to pay for a design their attitude is if you want this job i want to see what i"m getting. So does any one just list plants that will be used and hope they like the layout. I use to do a design after initial consult then go back with the price, bottom line i found out that no matter how good the design they did not want to spend that much, so i wasted time creating a design. How do you go about showing what selected plants look like without actually taking them to garden center, another time waster. MY NEW MOTTO IS GIVE ME DRAINAGE AND IRRIGATION IT MUCH EASIER TO CLOSE THESE DEALS AND LESS CUSTOMER INTERACTION.