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Anyone ever considered a large out front mower like the Kubotas. Not the newer zero turns, like the F series. 72" deck and four wheel drive.

I have been back and forth with trying to find some way to save time on my large (5 acre or more) sites. They are sloped in parts and all have no obstacles.

Just thinking out loud....
 

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I have a 72" Toro 4WD. I looked at Kubota and chose Toro.
Seating seemed funny on the Kubota. Like it was designed for really short legged people. I didn't think much of their stamped deck either. If I remember correctly the 4WD had to be manually engaged and disengaged. You need to disengage the 4WD on turns or it tears up the turf. My Toro disengages automatically as soon as the steering wheel turns a certain amount.

Do you really need a 4WD? They don't turn as sharp as a 2WD.
I have a 72" 2WD Toro also. It'll handle almost any slope the 4WD can handle. With 4 wheels and individual wheel brakes, it can take on some pretty steep stuff. Up to about 40 degrees, then I have to get the 4WD.

Is this the type of comments you were looking for?

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Originally posted by David Haggerty
I have a 72" Toro 4WD. I looked at Kubota and chose Toro.
Seating seemed funny on the Kubota. Like it was designed for really short legged people. I didn't think much of their stamped deck either. If I remember correctly the 4WD had to be manually engaged and disengaged. You need to disengage the 4WD on turns or it tears up the turf. My Toro disengages automatically as soon as the steering wheel turns a certain amount.

Do you really need a 4WD? They don't turn as sharp as a 2WD.
I have a 72" 2WD Toro also. It'll handle almost any slope the 4WD can handle. With 4 wheels and individual wheel brakes, it can take on some pretty steep stuff. Up to about 40 degrees, then I have to get the 4WD.

Is this the type of comments you were looking for?

Dave
David pretty much hit it on the head. I have 3 Toro Groundsmasters with 72" decks that are 4WD too. They hug a slope like nothing else.
 

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Originally posted by Bunton Guy
Whats the advantage of a 72" outfront deck toro over lets say a exmark or dixie chopper diesel 72" midmount?
Less trimming because you can get in closer to some things...3-wheelers do the same.
 

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I have always wondered why there are not more guys that have large mowers and I sort of figured it out. I see plenty of Jakes and big batwing Kubotas and Toros but the LCO's don't own them. Its the municipalities and the large properties that have their own landscape and lawncare divisions.

Those things are awesome to watch work. They are so big they can actually drive down the street at a good clip (lol pun intended:p )

Knowing the price to be 60,000+ for some of these mowers I can understand why there aren't more of them in the LCO's hands plus they would be a bear to trailer. Can you imagine coming up to cut a larger property and unloading off of a semi trailer. We aren't making that much off of cutting yet.
 

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Originally posted by MOW ED
I have always wondered why there are not more guys that have large mowers and I sort of figured it out. I see plenty of Jakes and big batwing Kubotas and Toros but the LCO's don't own them. Its the municipalities and the large properties that have their own landscape and lawncare divisions.

Those things are awesome to watch work. They are so big they can actually drive down the street at a good clip (lol pun intended:p )

Knowing the price to be 60,000+ for some of these mowers I can understand why there aren't more of them in the LCO's hands plus they would be a bear to trailer. Can you imagine coming up to cut a larger property and unloading off of a semi trailer. We aren't making that much off of cutting yet.
You are correct there ED.

Not only big, but heavy too. My one Toro Groundsmaster with the vac system on it weighs in at around 2200 pounds. Add in my fat a** and clippings in the barrel and you got a lot of weight on a lawn. Plus, I can only get one WB with it on my trailers. My guys don't like to use the Toros, only me. I think they're a little intimated by their size.
 

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A guy down the street from me lives on a very large estate...and has to mow over 15 acres of turf every week. It generally took his helpers 2-3 days to cut it they would do it in slices. They had 2 toro outfront 72" diesels farely old. Just recently he got a liquid cooled toro 72" mid mount and was done with the lawn in a matter of a few hours instead of days.
 

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the out front mowers take up too much space on the trailers.
the hustlers 12 or 15 ft cut are great on flat open space but will not hold a hill and if its gets away from u call a tow truck and hold on
the ztrs are cheaper and take up less space i can fit 2 61'lazers on a 12' open trailer for my large accounts. and use them on small account to.
 

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Originally posted by Bunton Guy
A guy down the street from me lives on a very large estate...and has to mow over 15 acres of turf every week. It generally took his helpers 2-3 days to cut it they would do it in slices. They had 2 toro outfront 72" diesels farely old. Just recently he got a liquid cooled toro 72" mid mount and was done with the lawn in a matter of a few hours instead of days.
Yeah I've seen guys milk a job like that too.

If the deck width is the same and the ground speed is the same, then the amount they will get mowed is roughly the same.
The outfront trims closer. The mid mount turns quicker.
The outfront holds hills better. Mid mount's fit onto a trailer easier.

MOW ED, rodfather;
I trailer my Toro 580-D to both Cincinnati & Dayton. Each trip is about 50 miles one way. One trailer hauls the 580, Toro 325-D 72 " mower for trimming and a WB. Pull it with a pickup. But it's everything that Cummins wants to pull. Must be around 10.000# total with the trailer.

I thought I was getting a corner on the wide area mowing business. Then A guy buys a Toro 580-D who lives 17 miles from me!
He's already got a bunch of work though. Maybe we won't butt heads over the same jobs.

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Originally posted by David Haggerty
MOW ED, rodfather;
I trailer my Toro 580-D to both Cincinnati & Dayton. Each trip is about 50 miles one way. One trailer hauls the 580, Toro 325-D 72 " mower for trimming and a WB. Pull it with a pickup. But it's everything that Cummins wants to pull. Must be around 10.000# total with the trailer.
Every bit of 10k...that 580's gotta weigh a bunch.
 

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the 12' self contained batwings weigh in at about 4-5k. Front decks to me are a good investment cause of the optional attachments you can put on them(blowers and snow throwers). I can fit a 72" Deere 1445 plus a walkbehind on my trailer at one time. ON my big deckover i can out a front deck, ztr, and 2 walkbehinds with no problem.
 

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Don't know if I can add anything to this thread, but back in my golf course days, we had a Hustler 4400 with wing decks. We used it for mowing roughs. It had a 12' cut and we could mow around 30 acres/day with it. Brand new, the machine cost around $26,000. That was in the late 80's - early 90's.
 

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That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks for all the replies.

Gonna spend some big time looking for one of these large out front mowers. Maybe get a used or demo.

Thanks again.
 

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I have two 17 foot Woods flex wing mowers that we use ona daily basis. They can cut down some grass in a hurry, the two of them do about 700-750 acres of grass a week. Good mowers but as suggested earlier they are heavy and require a good hp tractor to haul them. I also have a JD1600 wide area mower which is an out front with threee independent decks. Very nice for mowing ball fields, soccer fields for the city etc.
 

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Originally posted by Grassmechanic
Don't know if I can add anything to this thread, but back in my golf course days, we had a Hustler 4400 with wing decks. We used it for mowing roughs. It had a 12' cut and we could mow around 30 acres/day with it. Brand new, the machine cost around $26,000. That was in the late 80's - early 90's.
That bad boy is still around, only now it is called a 4600, has a 38hp Kubota diesel and the wing decks are hydraulic driven now.
This unit is still the least expensive wide area mower on the market.
There are a ton of these units out there also.

Later
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That's it!!!!
 
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