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Lawn care company from me faces 37,000 fine

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by humble1, May 20, 2012.

  1. humble1

    humble1 LawnSite Silver Member
    from MA
    Messages: 2,519

    Purely Organic lawn care of ME is facing fines of $37,000 dollars. Wow that seems steep, according to the owner James Reinertson he has contracts that allow chemical useage. I dont see how they can fine him if its in his contract.

    His buisness seems a little misleading though after reading the article.
  2. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    Sounds like two issues, Illegal application and customer fraud.
  3. Yatt

    Yatt LawnSite Member
    Messages: 203

    Probably explains why the had pretty good results in weed suppression.:laugh:
  4. cgaengineer

    cgaengineer LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,778

    Organic doesn't always mean safe...maybe he cleans the property with non organic initially and than all other treatments are organic. I can't see how a total organic program would work.
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  5. DLCS

    DLCS LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,386

    I took over a property from a competitor this Spring who was doing organic treatments. The customer called his service the "do nothing program" cause not one weed was killed and the lawn looked terrible. He was toild it would take a "few years" for the lawn to come around, but the lawn was beautiful when he took over cause the previous years it was treated with a conventional treatment program. I see all organic programs as fraud, how can you offer weed control when nothing organic kills weeds?
  6. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    Organic weed control is a fraud cause there is none that people will pay for and they do not tolerate some weeds. Organic treatments are important to the long term health of the lawn too but it is on the build a stronger turf side.
  7. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,138

    I've never dealt with the company, nor do I know what their contract says. I don't think it wise to make a judgment based on one article in the media. However, if you check out their website one would easily make the assumption that they only offer organics.

    It's unfortunate that this behavior gives a black eye to other LCOs who honestly provide organic services that are successful.
  8. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,085

    On the other hand, it puts our competitors on notice that they have to play by the rules and someone is watching. You guys porbably see the saem thing I do -- a competitor says he has an all-organic program, but uses Dimension for his PRE (says he tried corn gluten, but it didn't work) and Trimec for broadleaf weeds (says customers ask him to kill weeds, so he does).

    My current office girl used to be one of our main organic competitor's customers (before she caem to work with us). She brought in her invoices and found that they use the exact same herbicides and rates we use, but keep telling the customer its an organic program!

    I understand that customers don't always want the slightly weedy look that comes with organic programs, but I don't think we can call the program "organic," in the sense that the customer means it, if they throw in Dimension or Trimec whenever the customer points out that the organic program still has weeds!
  9. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,138


    I couldn't agree more. Far too many companies are doing this. Organic programs do not include synthetic fertilizers or chemical controls, period.

    If any of the above are included, perhaps the correct term would be "An organic based IPM program".

    I do think it's important that we do not condemn organics due to the faults of some. And the same should be said for condemning chemicals due to its over use.
  10. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    I subscribe to IPM big time.

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