Lawn Site - Please Explain

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by SunScaping, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. SunScaping

    SunScaping LawnSite Member
    Messages: 4

    Can someone (Sean Adams) please explain why our posts are being deleted.

    As Lawn Site members, we have the right to know. Let us speak the truth and give out the facts.

    Is that sponser really that important to the financial success of this site?
  2. Sean Adams

    Sean Adams LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,597

    A thread started about a lawsuit that is pending does not belong on this site. Discussions like this quickly turn into finger pointing and "he said, she said". It makes no difference to us who the thread is about as we have removed threads before relating to legal matters that involved companies that were not even sponsors or participants of this site.

    There is a time and place for discussions like this, but this is not one of them.

    Sorry guys, not trying to be difficult but it's just the way we have always handled this kind of thing.
  3. SunScaping

    SunScaping LawnSite Member
    Messages: 4

    Ok, Fine. One thread involved the law suit issue, the other did not.
    Why can't we point out the facts and keep our industry up to date with the facts?
  4. GunnPropertyServices

    GunnPropertyServices LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    pointing out facts and keeping up to date with the industry is second to making money. cant really blame them but it does suck at times
  5. S&MLL

    S&MLL LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 751

    I think my post count would be atleast 600 by now if it wasnt for deleted posts. On a side note has anyone talked to Alan in regards to the post?
  6. TuckerLand

    TuckerLand LawnSite Member
    Messages: 1

    I guess I can see the point of this forum not being the place to point fingers concerning lawsuits. Anyone can google Unique Lighting/Landscape Lighting World Lawsuit and do their own research. If products are found to be infringing the public should know so they do not infringe also by using or making videos endorsing the product.
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    I have a suggestion if I may... Why don't we all wait and see what transpires.

    I seem to recall, not all that long ago, another company that offers similar looking products to those branded as unique being sued on the same basis. Do some research and find out how that went. The short story is that the 'other business' was free to carry on doing what they were doing.

    Those of you who have been to China will know that the fixture castings are widely available from a large number of different sources. For the most part all of the castings look the same and have the same features. The differentiation in the product comes at the assembly stage. Some choose to assemble them here, others choose to assemble them abroad.

    There is more to the whole patent debate than appears on the surface. Just have a long talk with the other guy who went through this already... and prevailed.

    In the mean time... lets all chill, focus on our own affairs and let the process take its course. There are at least two sides to every story.

  8. AztlanLC

    AztlanLC LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,051

    I'm surprised how many people became a member just to post on this issue and they all seem to have something against Alan and tommy, yet hiding behind a screen name,why don't you post your web site, show the work you do, at least the name of your company, be honest and really post the actual reason for your comments.
  9. Prolightscaper

    Prolightscaper LawnSite Member
    Messages: 65

    here is the full 50 page complaint 3-10cv02174-1-1.pdf

    It's pretty compelling and straightforward

    Unique has developed products , invested real money in them and taken action to legally protect them with patents . Sounds very responsible and business like.

    If the other side of the story that you are talking about is going to the same factory in China, taking another established manufacturers molds, making slight changes to them for little or without any out of pocket costs then turning around selling them in the open market from an open internet website with published pricing for a fraction of the original cost and calling it free enterprise well then I must strongly disagree.

    The interesting and revealing thing about this whole mess is the position and view outsiders take regarding it. You really have to question where some people are coming from. Not anyone I'd want to do business with that's for sure.
  10. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    Apparently, The issue resides in when patents were obtained. You may be able to obtain a patent 'after the fact' but is it enforceable once the product has become 'open source' from a variety of factories? The last time around, the answer was "no".

    If the other side of the story that you are talking about is going to the same factory in China, ... Who is talking about "the same factory"? Most of the brass castings and components that are assembled and sold as fixtures here are available from multiple sources in China. These fixtures have become virtually ubiquitous, differing only by how they are assembled and what internal components are used.

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