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Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by JoeyD, Mar 5, 2009.


    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    Mr. carribbean with 333 posts on here you are hardly entitled to say who should post on here and who shouldn't. You started with me and I let it go and ignored it for the first couple of times until I had enough. Sherman also started and challenged me and goaded me into a debate. I quickly dispensed of him too when he couldn't answer my challenge to post an equivalent photo.

    Why don't you read the posts first before trying to paint me the bad guy. All I did was state my personal opinion about LED's and why I'm not using them right now and a couple of wise guys think they are going to teach me a lesson and take me to task. Others like you seem to want to challenge me and then when you are soundly beaten you cry and complain and call me a bully or run and hide and hope the thread goes away.

    I don't know it all , but I know alot and I've been around a long time and deserve more respect from someone like you who is trying to build yourself up by taking cheap shots at me.

    You want to get some respect then let's see some of your work. That's a lame excuse that you are not a photographer and everyone knows it. All I see is a lot of talk and nothing to back it up from you. I received an unsolicited personal message from someone here who apparently knows you and they pretty much confirmed what I suspected about you. You got your 15 minutes of fame now go away. :waving:
  2. NiteTymeIlluminations

    NiteTymeIlluminations LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 367

  3. Tomwilllight

    Tomwilllight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    As several have noted before, I have a tendency to fall in love with my logic stream and spend much time and words shoring my thoughts when a couple of simple declarative sentences will do the job. Call it an occupational hazard; the result of 25 years of delivering lectures to 18 year old kids who wondered why they wanted to take Intro to Theatre Arts.

    Let me try to be brief and state my concerns clearly:

    LED's produce some heat. Enough heat that, if it's not properly managed, the LEDs will fail prematurely.

    True, advances have been made in the life and quality of LED's as a light source. But I don't believe any major lamp manufacturers are more than peripherally focused on Landscape Lighting.

    Heat is a problem for all LEDs. This problem is not easily managed in a compact, sealed fixture that is originally designed for a MR16.

    The MR16 retrofit LEDs all have heat sinks - that is, all I have seen. Heat sinks need moving air to dissipate heat. Moving air requires volume and the volume inside most Landscape Lighting fixtures very limited. The fixtures are designed to withstand high heat... not to dissipate it efficiently. Tree-mounted in a sunny spot late in the day and a hot, still night... or mounted on a west-facing masonry wall, I think the retrofitted LEDs will be subjected to relatively high heat levels. Higher levels than their designers envisioned.

    I believe the retrofits will offer good service in climates that have significant cooling in the evenings and for clients who have engaged an installer of your caliber. That means, they have a well-designed control system will turn the lights off during the much warmer daytime.

    Early adopters, such as yourself, by default, should put the new units to the test in the field. It's absolutely necessary for the engineers' designs to be tested in the field, accurate information gathered and reported to the engineers and the manufactures who are bankrolling the research. This field testing must be done in a WIDE variety of environments. Indoor and outdoor. In open and sealed fixtures. They should must be operated around the clock and output measured regularly.

    I believe that LED's will come to dominate the landscape lighting market sometime in the not too distant future. I also believe that market will be smaller than it is now. How much smaller... make a guess.

    Much depends on the public's eventual acceptance of LED's. Right now, we are in the midst of a lot of consumer confusion - very similar to the awkward way CFL's were introduced about 15-20? years ago. Then, many claims about CFL's life and color were grossly overstated, wrong or outright lies. That market has finally matured and CFLs are taking hold. I hope the LED market will mature quickly and with much less catastrophe.

    Expect an order soon.

    Thank You,

  4. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    Have a great day.

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