Responding to two posts from the AOLP thread.... Posted by Tanek Hood I am pumped for someone to show me the benefit of an LED fixture vs. LED lamp. Posted by James Solecki I am 'pumped' to hear such a case too, but so far nobody has been able to convince me or prove to me that there is a benefit to an LED fixture over an LED Lamp! If someone out there can make a case, please start a new thread here, I for one would welcome the discourse. __________________ The best arguments for LED fixtures, IMHO, are those that I heard from Sherman Gingerella at DG Lights a couple of years ago, and they both had to do with dispersing heat for extended life: 1. Isolating the driver from the heat of the lamp by using an external driver. 2. Using fixture materials that act as natural heat sinks (machined billet aluminum, copper and brass), not insulators (composites). Somehow, Kichler, Vista and FX Luminaire seem to have missed these points in their 2nd (or is it 3rd?) generation designs. And I can't imagine a way to isolate the driver in a retrofit situation.