In the thread on retrofit bi-pins, James of Illumicare refers to Lightingfacts.com. So I followed the link and discovered that the program was developed and operated by the U.S. Department of Energy. I know we don't get into politics on this forum but I can't help but comment about the growth of government. Do we really need the federal government getting involved in the promotion of standards for lighting? At least, so far, the only thing this lightingfacts program is doing is providing a platform to publicize the performance of lighting. Do we even need that from the government? Spending and more spending of money that the federal government doesn't have. Forum members: if you don't want to comment on this subject, don't. Moderators: If you want to move it, go ahead. But this issue really bothers me.