Looking for paver stone lights

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by Zohan, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. Zohan

    Zohan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 136

  2. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,187

    I've used evening stars and In-lite micro lights for hard scape when needed.
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  3. Classic Lighting

    Classic Lighting LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 512

    I am unimpressed with http://sek.us.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=60 . I did a retrofit project that had Kerr in the driveway last winter. Broken caps from the weight of vehicles and moisture intursion issues resulted in corroded sockets. Therefore, it is not a quality product that I would install.
    In my opinion, I'm not comfortable with installing fixtures in a driveway. Vehicle traffic, snowplows, pressure washers, and oils make a driveway a difficult place to install trustworthy fixtures.
  4. S&MLL

    S&MLL LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 751

    Dont like lights in pavers either because i think it looks like an airport but i use a coppermoon cm390 core drilled. 4.5" bit and you are good to go.

    Plows are no problem as fixture sits flush
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  5. Zohan

    Zohan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 136

    The paver stones will sit on top of a concrete base. there will be approx. 22, and would rather not have to core out, that would increase labor and already borderline with clients budget. I am hoping for something like the pre-formed rectangle that i can leave for the masonry crew and show them where they need to go and have them lay them in while they lay in paver stones.
    Client is using cambridge and awaiting him to tell me which model.
  6. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    There are a lot of different paver style lights on the market. I would never install any of them myself. Forget about the horrible effect they produce (alien landing strip effect) and just look at the fixture build quality. None of them are designed to stand the test of time. They break, crack, seals fail, sockets and connections fail, lenses yellow, etc.

    I would be guiding the client away from this completely. If there is no budget to do the job well / right, then there is no point in doing it poorly. Do you really want your name associated with a poor performing and visually distracting job?

    Short term pain for long term pain... its a loose loose proposition.
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Of course I mean to say (spell)... lose, lose propostion.
  8. Zohan

    Zohan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 136

    Yes i know all this, and tried to sway potential client.
    This is what he wants. I have bills to pay. End of story.
    As for putting my name to it, I will do the best possible job I can do, as usual. I will not guarantee the paver lights for more than 1 year, where my other usual fixtures will be warranted much longer. In the end client will be happy he has what he wants. He will recc. me. I at least talked him out of as many lights he originally wanted, and will stagger the lights both sides of walkways. Around a patio the lights will be spaced at least 10'. He wanted same lights on steps that has 5 landings and also on front door steps, I talked him out of that and steps will get my usual hardscape/step lights. Also talked him into highlighting his address plaque and 2 trees to give some distraction away from paver lights.
    All in all even though I dont like paver lights I think it will look good and client will be happy. I am not going to be a prima-donna and say "if you dont do it my way i'm not doing it"
    It's his money and as long as I give him a quality installation he will be happy.
  9. Zohan

    Zohan LawnSite Member
    Messages: 136

    Understood :)
  10. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    I understand your position completely. I was just offering my advice gained over 14 years in this biz. Just remember, the client may be happy initially, but when those things start to fail (and they will) he will probably include you when he tells others; "Oh that low voltage lighting stuff is all crap! I spent a ton of money on mine and it all failed. I wish I never hired that guy either cause he says the only way to fix it is re-install more of the same." It is amazing how quickly dis-satisfied clients will forget that you told them so, and associate you with their lack of satisfaction.

    There are times, and jobs, when it is better to simply say that we advise against this type of installation and we do not do this type of work and move along. It has nothing to do with being a prima donna and everything to do with working with integrity and being professional.

    best of luck.

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