[Envy Lawn Service]

OK, what happened to the stripping kit threads? I have recieved e-mails about replies to two different threads. When I click the e-mail link all I get for both is that "no access" page. Then I search for them w/ the exact title and get nothing.

Here are the two threads I'm talking about....

*REPOST! Striping Roller- How to build w/Pics*
Very good thread, very helpfull and ful of info, where is it?

*Reply to poll:chain or roller? from Turflex*
Good thread of infomation. Also was getting interesting w/ the fact that some pictures were stolen for use on the Turflex site.

What the heck is going on here? Where did they go and WHY??? :angry:

 

[DLS1]

I didn't read the posts but you got me curious about the Turflex chain system so I checked out the site. $235 for chains and a metal rod is expensive. I have seen pictures where people have made it with wood and chains and looks basically like the same setup and I am sure it was made for a lot cheaper than $235.

I imagine the thread was deleted due to the picture allegations against a sponsor.


You want to fill us in about the alleged stolen pictures.

 

[GLAN]

you mean this thread for one?http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44611

 

[GLAN]

this one

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49929

 

[Buckeye1]

I think I am partially to blame for the Turflex thread being deleted.

The problem was, after a few posts from people arguing the effectiveness/ineffectiveness of chains and rollers, the thread took a different direction.

Someone (Greenquest maybe??) called Turflex out on a stripe picture they stole from him and used it on there website to advertise their chain kit. The problem was 1) they obviously stole the picture from a fellow member, and 2) the stripes were done using a roller, not a chain kit.

Turflex did fess up to stealing the picture, but tried to defend their position by saying their specialty was making chain kits and not advertising. They also tried to clear the air by offering a free kit to the member they stole the picture from. After Turflex took a few lumps from some members, a moderater stepped in to get the thread back on the original subject and (IMO) deflect the heat turflex was taking. I felt it was not the moderators place to try to deflect this “heat”…so I too replied to the post.

I replied with a response criticizing Turflex because they new what they did was wrong when they did it. If they did not believe it was wrong to use someone’s pics, why would they take the time to mirror reverse the picture?? Furthermore they misrepresented their product by using a pic of stripes created by a roller, not a chain kit like they sell.

I also added a smart azz response about changing my mind if I received a free striping kit and money for my website(which I don’t really have).

A moderator didn’t like my post and ultimately bailed Turflex (a sponsor) out by deleting the thread.

 

[GLAN]

LOL and all this while someone took text word for word from someones site for theirs..................


Damn people can be real lazy

 

[Runner]

Wow! I REALLY missed all that. I had posted on that thread, too.

 

[hunter]

*REPOST! Striping Roller- How to build w/Pics*
Very good thread, very helpfull and ful of info, where is it?

I read this thread myself and it was going to be very helpful when building a stipe kit for your self.

If this is correct that they deleted this thread because a sponsor was getting their lumps, sorry to hear they support the sponsors more than the truth. They could have very easily deleted the replies in question instead of the entire topic. Just goes to show they, lawsite, si more concerned about profit then their guest.

there are more forums like ************and ----------.com that don't mind the truth beiing told.

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I see *********gets edited. Don't like competition, I guess.

Let's see how long before this thread get deleted.

 

[DLS1]

Hey Hunter, all forum sites that I know about get edited by administrators or owners. Everything is regulated in real life so why not a forum on the web.

In defense of this site (Sean), this is a money making business or trying to be a money maker just like your your business. If you didn't regulate a site you can get a few people run everyone off with inappropriate comments and general bad behavior.

I can see their is fine line between regulating what is said about a sponsor and the forum members. Their wouldn't be one without the other like a symbiotic relationship.

 

[hunter]

Dean -

If you had read what I said is that they could have deleted just the replies that offended them not the entire topic.

they have taken very good info available to all and removed it to their satifaction for one sponsor. If it wasn't for the guest here that take the time to read and contribute they wouldn't have sponsors.

Both run together and they, Sean, seem to forget this.

 

[DLS1]

Yes I read what you said. I was responding to you saying

'there are more forums like********* and ----------.com that don't mind the truth beiing told.'

It didn't look like they didn't delete the whole topic since GLAN found them and they probably did delete a few replies.


Hey Hunter, you need to look up the meaning of 'symbiotic'.

 

[hunter]

Originally posted by Dean's Lawn Service
Hey Hunter, you need to look up the meaning of 'symbiotic'.

what would this prove?

And if you read the topics that Glan found. You would reliaze they are not the ones in question.

 

[Buckeye1]

Dean- I can see what you are saying about protecting sponsors against flaming and unwarranted critisisim. I can even understand deleting posts which contain “accusations” or bad experiences members may want to share with others. However, it is not the case here. This was a blatant case of stealing and deception. The sponsor even admitted stealing the pic.

BTW, the links Glan provided are not the same ones in the first post.

 

[1MajorTom]

There's always a fine line to walk when dealing with the sponsors and the members. Without sponsors, where would this site be?
Without the members input, where would this site be?
We need a good mix of both which Lawnsite has. That's what keeps people coming back for more.

What happened with a sponsor was purely a rushed mistake. I believe in his eagerness to get his site up and running and wanting to get the ball rolling here at Lawnsite, he rushed too much and needed a picture. No one condoned it. But Sean Adams, the owner stepped up and explained the situation. Sean asked for the topic to get back on track. Situation was explained, sponsor wanted to correct the situation admitting he is a manufacturer not an advertiser.

But the situation, although explained, still continued to escalate.

As for other forums not looking after their sponsors, PLEASE! I've seen too many times on other forums how threads disappear. Lawnsite looks after both. Its sponsors AND its members. But unnecessary bashing after the matter was explained, is that really needed?

Let's let Turflex get acquainted here, and I'm sure the members will like what they see.
Thanks for being here Turflex.

 

[Sean Adams]

Threads and posts are usually not deleted unless there is a good reason. A comment that has gone overboard....a comment or string of comments that will obviously stir up problems, and so on.

Yes, LawnSite.com is a business. Yes, sponsors help allow this site to exist. Yes, members are what makes the site happen.

There is not other site in this industry like LawnSite.com.... Yes, there are other sites imitating LawnSite.com......but no one has the members, content, speed of response, sponsors, etc.... like we do. And like I said, both members and sponsors make this possible. There is no other site in this industry that has people working around the clock to improve the site like we do.

Bottom line.... I am defending a sponsor, who meant no harm, made a mistake, apologized, and is now being chastised publicly.

I will bring the striping kit how to post back later today, after I check why it was deleted.

I think it's time to move on....and as always, I am willing to answer any questions any time, both here as well as e-mail.

 

[hunter]

Sean 1Major -

It seems to me that there is some loopsided handling of matters. I know of a couple of instances that a member stole some pics and another stole the layout of a member and those threads were not deleted. Is this different and if so how?

So it's one thing for it to be a sponsor and get caught and another to be a lowly member?

Hope to see more comments on this even though the thread has been buried to the bottom.

 

[chuckwk]

Buried at the bottom? This is the very TOP thread.!

My .02... How the owner of this site handles this site is none of your business.

 

[1MajorTom]

Hunter,
Ok, did a very quick search and found two such instances. Pictures were used, someone posted about it, the member who used the pictures spoke up, did the right thing and removed the pictures. Situation resolved, no need for more unpleasant comments, so the threads were closed. Things can only be drug out so long. Was I looking after the members in these two instances copied below? I guess I just realized that when things are explained and resolved, it's time to move on.

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?threadid=47574&highlight=pictures+website

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?threadid=41723&highlight=stolen+pictures

 

[Doc Pete]

Originally posted by chuckwk
Buried at the bottom? This is the very TOP thread.!

My .02... How the owner of this site handles this site is none of your business.

And,
Though Sean should always be mindful of our input, since without us there is no Lawnsite, in the end there can only be one decision maker……The owner.

 

[Sean Adams]

Sponsor, member, moderator - it doesn't matter. If something is wrong, it will be discussed, as in this instance. However, as stated before, and for the last time, Turflex made a mistake, he admitted it, apologized, offered a free kit to a member, and that should be it.

Hunter - I try and be as far and as understanding as possible at all times with everyone. I'm sure that if I looked at all of your 65 or so posts, I'm guessing you have broken at least a rule or two of this site. Does that mean since I have suspended others, you too should be suspended? No... what it means is, when someone is suspended it is for a good reason.

Can we move on or does this need dragged around some more???