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Method for installing stairs against foundation

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by jbailey52, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. clipfert

    clipfert LawnSite Member
    Messages: 203

    Talk about a waste of time. What do you have more of? Time or block?
    Please explain how you can acheive sufficient compaction without blowing out your stairs.
    EP Henry makes filler block for this application plus you can use all of the unused block from other jobs that never gets used.
  2. jbailey52

    jbailey52 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,091

    Ive used the EP Henry filler block.... If we are installing a set of stairs using the pedestal method we will fill with block... but if we are doing stairs with a geometric shape and angles, it harder, and more of a pain using them... modified stone compacted it is.
  3. neversatisfiedj

    neversatisfiedj LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,028

    Installed snap edge to hold the buried block . They will not blow out. This is the advice I have gotten over the years from this same FORUM !

    Lots of ways to skin a cat.
  4. clipfert

    clipfert LawnSite Member
    Messages: 203

    What do you do on the second third fourth etc etc step? Sometimes advice given is a little off base. Someone has lead you down the wrong path on that one.
  5. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,653

    The only time you need it is the lower step, upper steps are held in place with with the lower step cap.
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  6. clipfert

    clipfert LawnSite Member
    Messages: 203

    He was explaining how he keeps his steps from blowing out using stone and compacting instead of using filler block all the way up. A can see how snap edge will keep the base course in place. I was asking how he keeps additional steps from blowing out under the force of a compactor.
  7. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,653

    Use clear stone and hand tamp
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  8. neversatisfiedj

    neversatisfiedj LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,028

    I have used hand tamper , sledge hammer, my 2950 reversable, and even a jumping jack in there depending on size. Keep stone wet it will compact. I havent had a problem. Also have used filler block. Great labor saver if the budget allows. Of course EP Henry suggests this . They sell more block !
  9. Red Shed Landscaping

    Red Shed Landscaping LawnSite Member
    Messages: 182

    When we build steps, we sometimes do four sides to keep it separate from the house and not have to mess with the siding but most times we put up a waterproofing membrane and build right up to the house. We use compacted gravel to fill and take extra time to make sure its compacted well and geogrid every other layer to help keep it from blowing out. Also we do about 3" lifts to get a good compaction. We also put some hand tamped gravel in front of the current step we are compacting behind to keep it from moving since it does like to move but this does the job to keep it from moving.

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    Last edited: Mar 13, 2013
  10. Gilmore.Landscaping

    Gilmore.Landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Messages: 645

    See I would disagree with the above picture. You are packing gravel against unprotected brick. Brick is very soft and will degrade quickly when covered but as well you have buried the vent holes at the bottom needed for proper circulation behind the brick.

    This is the application where a wall should have been build in front with a small air gap.

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