[Tn Turf]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think waiters/waitresses even get paid minimum wage by their employer (the restaurant) due to their ability to get tips.

My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean.

 

[Tn Turf]

If you average it all out they end up making a reasonable wage. Why on earth would anyone think that waiters should make 23 bucks an hour?
I barely made that after taxes when I was remodeling. Less skills equal less pay.

Maybe you don't have a pretty smile?

My guess is if you can afford to eat out, then you can afford to leave a 20% tip for good service.

 

[Tn Turf]

Nothing I said was disrespectful. If everybody "great" money, then nobody would make "great" money. Waiting tables is not a highly sought after skill and does it take too much intelligence. I waited tables too, but I did it in the most expensive restaurant in town. I made more than the average waiter because I learned wine, dressed extremely well, and knew fine food and etiquette....more value equals higher pay.

...."Goodie goodies are the thieves of virtue"

Who are you mad at??? The waitress, the tipping customers, or the restaurant?

 

[Tn Turf]

I don’t disagree the arrangement can work just fine. I just always thought it was odd that the system of compensation is different than almost all other employers. I don’t know the history on why it was originally set up that way, nor do I care to look it up. It’s just strange tips are considered part of compensation which has made them accepted and expected in the US.

I look at it like sub-contractors. They put on a shirt and a bib, use their own changer and go in and take orders and deliver orders. They are separate from operations, they are in customer service; the front lines.

The cook in the back gets to work alone and just cooks and keeps his area clean. He doesn't see or hassle with patrons.

The managers job is keep the system running and putting out fires (if customer complains there is a hair in the food, manager deals with it).

 

[Tn Turf]

Who are you mad at??? The waitress, the tipping customers, or the restaurant?

The guy that said they should be making 30 plus an hour
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Said no one. You're making things up.

 

[Tn Turf]

"My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean."

...it was you. Do you have a head injury?

Ahhh, now the truth comes out. I never said she "should". I said she "is" averaging. Big difference. I can't control what people decide to tip. Do you think she should refund her tips back to the patreons?

The only part of that entire post with the word "should" reads they should pay minimum wage ($7.25) for after hours cleaning instead of $3.25 (below minimum wage). Is that unreasonable?

What percentage do you typically tip for excellent service?

 

[Tn Turf]

I think it's unreasonable. If a waiter is averaging well above minimum wage then why should they be paying any more.bwhat most people don't understand is that restaurants profit margins are very low. Everyone wants higher wages because they don't understand economics. Same reason most people vote a certain way. The average guy usually doesn't really understand how things really work, and that is why we have the system we ended up with.

20 percent is for excellent service. I won't tip at all if they suck.

So you'd have employees scrape decks, sharpen blades, and change oil after a long day of work for $3/hr since they earned above minimum wage while mowing? My guys get tips all the time. Should I deduct that from their hourly wage? I'm not sure why you're so mad about servers earning decent tips...

 

[Tn Turf]

Again, I don't care if a restaurant worker earns tips, the problem is that YOU expect them to earn more outside of their hours of daily tipping, when they are already making good money for a very menial task.

And my point is when their "hours of daily tipping" is over, they should go home.... Not stay and clean for $4.50 UNDER minimum wage when the doors are locked and they NO LONGER have the ability to EARN TIPS from tipping customers. If the restaurant doesn't want to pay laborers legal minimum wage to clean, then the restaurant should contract an outside company to clean.

Servers work hard for their money and often get shafted on tips. I suspect by people like you who think they already earn too much, and expect the next table will compensate enough to cover your inconsiderations.