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Minimum wage is the reason wages are so low. Repeal it.

Raise minimum wage and everything else follows. Fix inflation ,not minimum wages.

 

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My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean.

If you average it all out they end up making a reasonable wage. Why on earth would anyone think that waiters should make 23 bucks an hour?
I barely made that after taxes when I was remodeling. Less skills equal less pay.

 

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Maybe you don't have a pretty smile?

My guess is if you can afford to eat out, then you can afford to leave a 20% tip for good service.

*20 percent if service was excellent.

This guys daughter was averaging 30 bucks an hour, and both of you think they should make more? Your both insane.

 

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*20 percent if service was excellent.

This guys daughter was averaging 30 bucks an hour, and both of you think they should make more? Your both insane.

Paying all labor equally is socialism

 

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It’s petty to disrespect other people who labor for a living. Just because you were willing to settle for less doesn’t mean somebody else is obligated to do the same.
I sure as hell don’t want to wait tables, I’m glad there are people who will and make a living doing it.

Nothing I said was disrespectful. If everybody "great" money, then nobody would make "great" money. Waiting tables is not a highly sought after skill and does it take too much intelligence. I waited tables too, but I did it in the most expensive restaurant in town. I made more than the average waiter because I learned wine, dressed extremely well, and knew fine food and etiquette....more value equals higher pay.

...."Goodie goodies are the thieves of virtue"

 

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Who are you mad at??? The waitress, the tipping customers, or the restaurant?
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The guy that said they should be making 30 plus an hour

 

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I don’t disagree the arrangement can work just fine. I just always thought it was odd that the system of compensation is different than almost all other employers. I don’t know the history on why it was originally set up that way, nor do I care to look it up. It’s just strange tips are considered part of compensation which has made them accepted and expected in the US.

Can you imagine the service you would get at a flat hourly rate.

 

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The guy that said they should be making 30 plus an hour

Said no one. You're making things up.
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"My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean."

...it was you. Do you have a head injury?

 

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Not “should”… but definitely could. My wife regularly makes $300-400 on a 4-5 hour shift. But she works at a pricey Italian restaurant and has a lot of regular customers. it also helps that she’s hot and has a cute Polish accent .

Lead waiters at the place I was at regularly made that kind of money when they served guests in the wine cellar.

 

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Ahhh, now the truth comes out. I never said she "should". I said she "is" averaging. Big difference. I can't control what people decide to tip. Do you think she should refund her tips back to the patreons?

The only part of that entire post with the word "should" reads they should pay minimum wage ($7.25) for after hours cleaning instead of $3.25 (below minimum wage). Is that unreasonable?

What percentage do you typically tip for excellent service?

I think it's unreasonable. If a waiter is averaging well above minimum wage then why should they be paying any more.bwhat most people don't understand is that restaurants profit margins are very low. Everyone wants higher wages because they don't understand economics. Same reason most people vote a certain way. The average guy usually doesn't really understand how things really work, and that is why we have the system we ended up with.

20 percent is for excellent service. I won't tip at all if they suck.

 

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So you'd have employees scrape decks, sharpen blades, and change oil after a long day of work for $3/hr since they earned above minimum wage while mowing? My guys get tips all the time. Should I deduct that from their hourly wage? I'm not sure why you're so mad about servers earning decent tips...

Again, your not really paying attention and bound on defending your position regardless of what point anyone is trying to make. 1. Landscape work is not dependant on tips due to the different business models they operate on.
2. If they made a decent living and got tips and wanted more, I would tell them to eat **** and go back to school or start your own business.

Again, I don't care if a restaurant worker earns tips, the problem is that YOU expect them to earn more outside of their hours of daily tipping, when they are already making good money for a very menial task.

You can't pay everyone more so everyone is happy, it doesn't work like that. The economy/world must have a spectrum of low and high earners.

Think about this...
Your guys make 16 bucks an hour, but receive 50 bucks in tips during 5 hours of the day, making their average 26 bucks an hour. Why don't you pay them 26 bucks an hour when their not getting tipped? Are you going to pay Jose who can hardly speak English , or three toothed Jimmy 26 bucks an hour when he best asset is holding a line trimmer?

 

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What do you do when a customer says you're too expensive?

Walk

 

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I'm thinking it's crazy how. We have to pay people to work starting at 20 a hour. When a state minimum is 10.10
If you're paying a guy 20 hourly.
Then the economy falls hard.
Then what.
Then I think of comments I seen on here how someone is only charging 20 to cut a lawn. 🤦‍♂️

Im 100 percent pro p for p. The minimum wage workforce should be ground up as compost. Most of them, and even a majority of guys at the lower end of skilled trades or absolutely worthless.

 

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And my point is when their "hours of daily tipping" is over, they should go home.... Not stay and clean for $4.50 UNDER minimum wage when the doors are locked and they NO LONGER have the ability to EARN TIPS from tipping customers. If the restaurant doesn't want to pay laborers legal minimum wage to clean, then the restaurant should contract an outside company to clean.

Servers work hard for their money and often get shafted on tips. I suspect by people like you who think they already earn too much, and expect the next table will compensate enough to cover your inconsiderations.

So servers work harder than the cleaners?

 

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So servers work harder than the cleaners?

I can't figure out why you hold servers in such high regard, or having such a high-value position.

 

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Whenever I last managed a restaurant, it was an average per pay period. Being that all of our shifts had regular busy times and downtimes, the servers were encouraged to do their “side work,” during the downtimes. That said, if it was a known time that was always “dead,” and the servers were being required to work (yet without opportunities for tips), they were permitted to clock-in as the lowest paid wage (which the restaurant I worked at, everyone was above minimum wage other than servers and delivery drivers). There were “seasons,” where the servers’ wages, with tips, averaged to be less than minimum wage (very rare). During those times, they were compensated at an increased hourly rate (restaurant minimum wage as opposed to server minimum wage). Although, I’m no longer in the restaurant industry, I can say at a well established restaurant it’s not unheard of to average $65-$110/hour (with tips, of course). Not sure how the bartenders as Applebee’s fair, but at privately owned restaurants, many bartenders will average $150/hour. Lots of unreported money that moves around in the restaurant industry.



My mother has been a waitress for about 50 years now. Growing up, it was restaurants that offered “lunch shifts,” that put my mom home with us children before school, and home with us children after school. While the shifts/scheduling may look unappealing to some, it works really well for others. 💁‍♀️ Restaurant employment essentially allowed my mom to be both a working and a stay at home mom.


I can’t imagine someone being upset at someone who performs well at his or her job, and therefore earns an above average living as a result.

Good on your daughter! I’m sure you and your wife are proud of her work ethic. Brings the old saying to mind, “hard work pays off!”



Yeah, this is pretty standard as far as I know!



Totally read through this whole thread…cannot see/comprehend what you’re getting at, man. And, if anything, you should be able to figure out why he may (as he never really made a statement one way or the other) hold servers in a high regard — his daughter is a server, and a good one based on the things he has shared.

Why should good employees not be held in high regard?? No matter the industry.

I don't know how you could miss the point I made. It's not that they can't be regarded well within their industry, but understanding their societal value and how everyone should'nt be making good money due to the heirarchy of value. Maybe think bell curve.

 

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Need to Add this to the list of “why can’t I keep employees”?
It’s crazy how many owners don’t respect the trimmer guy. He’s running around every lawn while the mower guys sit on their arss most of the day. . Trimming is an important detail and speed and a clean job actually matter. I prefer to start a new guy on the mowers… cuz trimming is just as important to me & almost as hard to get good at. So I don’t think they deserve less regardless off their vocabulary or how many teeth in their mouth.

We're defining trimming as a difficult skill?

 

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Most ppl w that attitude towards servers … have never served a meal in their life. Never mind 200 meals a night to a restaurant full of ppl that all want something different. All w different attitudes and personalities some very nasty towards you especially when “hangry”. The females get stupid and pervy comments constantly from both customers and kitchen staff. it’s just “part of the job” though. Servers w accents are often talked down on. Never knowing exactly how much they’ll make. Yea actually servers deserve a pretty good pay I’d never wanna do it.

"If hard work set the standard of value, then construction workers would be the rich, but value is not based on how laborious it is"

 

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ok I remember this argument. A few years ago the argument was for $15. Now that’s not enough it’s now $20 an hour. I say, and I am 100% serious, raise it to $1000 per hour. Right? Because more is better right. You implied that… if you didn’t say it outright. See your quote. If $1000 an hour for minimum wage is a BAD thing please explain to me why?
But then then you say “fix inflation, not minimum wage.” Here’s where input my economics hat on to tell you raising minimum wage increases inflation. You don’t have to tell me I am wrong as I’ve already been proven right so many times it’s stupid by economists from Yale Harvard etc. But again if $15 an hour benefits everyone (talking point or the left) then let’s just make it $1000 an hour! Why not?

I'm not totally sure if you actually expect me to respond to this.