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My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean.
If you average it all out they end up making a reasonable wage. Why on earth would anyone think that waiters should make 23 bucks an hour?
I barely made that after taxes when I was remodeling. Less skills equal less pay.
 

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If you average it all out they end up making a reasonable wage. Why on earth would anyone think that waiters should make 23 bucks an hour?
I barely made that after taxes when I was remodeling. Less skills equal less pay.
Maybe you don't have a pretty smile?

My guess is if you can afford to eat out, then you can afford to leave a 20% tip for good service.
 

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If you average it all out they end up making a reasonable wage. Why on earth would anyone think that waiters should make 23 bucks an hour?
I barely made that after taxes when I was remodeling. Less skills equal less pay.
It’s petty to disrespect other people who labor for a living. Just because you were willing to settle for less doesn’t mean somebody else is obligated to do the same.
I sure as hell don’t want to wait tables, I’m glad there are people who will and make a living doing it.
 

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It’s petty to disrespect other people who labor for a living. Just because you were willing to settle for less doesn’t mean somebody else is obligated to do the same.
I sure as hell don’t want to wait tables, I’m glad there are people who will and make a living doing it.
Nothing I said was disrespectful. If everybody "great" money, then nobody would make "great" money. Waiting tables is not a highly sought after skill and does it take too much intelligence. I waited tables too, but I did it in the most expensive restaurant in town. I made more than the average waiter because I learned wine, dressed extremely well, and knew fine food and etiquette....more value equals higher pay.

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Nothing I said was disrespectful. If everybody "great" money, then nobody would make "great" money. Waiting tables is not a highly sought after skill and does it take too much intelligence. I waited tables too, but I did it in the most expensive restaurant in town. I made more than the average waiter because I learned wine, dressed extremely well, and knew fine food and etiquette....more value equals higher pay.

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Who are you mad at??? The waitress, the tipping customers, or the restaurant?
 

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It was actually sad. That the place had half the seats empty. Them girls didn't have the customer to make them tips.
I'm hearing that some big tech companies are in the process of laying people off. Would this be the start with getting minimum wage back inline.
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depends on the state, some require minimum wage some are a percentage of minimum wage. I always thought it was crazy, makes for a guaranteed expectation of a tip, even if the service is trash.
Imo it’s a fair pay system . When restaurants are slow literally making zero profit…waitstaff sit around doing nothing … and make the minimum. When the restaurant is busy and makes more $$ …the waitstaff has to hustle but they make more $$$. If waitstaff goes above and beyond w good service …they will usually be tipped better for that service. My wife is a waitress she’s developed relationships w customers and regularly gets $50-$100+ tips from a single customer because ppl really love her. Crappy waitresses don’t last long / if they stay they can actually affect the business negatively. A Good waitress can help create good experience/ repeat customers/ and turn over more tables faster since they are on top of things and get ppl seated and served as fast as possible. Sounds like p4p to me
 

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Imo it’s a fair pay system . When restaurants are slow literally making zero profit…waitstaff sit around doing nothing … and make the minimum. When the restaurant is busy and makes more $$ …the waitstaff has to hustle but they make more $$$. If waitstaff goes above and beyond w good service …they will usually be tipped better for that service. My wife is a waitress she’s developed relationships w customers and regularly gets $50-$100+ tips from a single customer because ppl really love her. Crappy waitresses don’t last long / if they stay they can actually affect the business negatively. A Good waitress can help create good experience/ repeat customers/ and turn over more tables faster since they are on top of things and get ppl seated and served as fast as possible. Sounds like p4p to me
I don’t disagree the arrangement can work just fine. I just always thought it was odd that the system of compensation is different than almost all other employers. I don’t know the history on why it was originally set up that way, nor do I care to look it up. It’s just strange tips are considered part of compensation which has made them accepted and expected in the US.
 

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I don’t disagree the arrangement can work just fine. I just always thought it was odd that the system of compensation is different than almost all other employers. I don’t know the history on why it was originally set up that way, nor do I care to look it up. It’s just strange tips are considered part of compensation which has made them accepted and expected in the US.
I look at it like sub-contractors. They put on a shirt and a bib, use their own changer and go in and take orders and deliver orders. They are separate from operations, they are in customer service; the front lines.

The cook in the back gets to work alone and just cooks and keeps his area clean. He doesn't see or hassle with patrons.

The managers job is keep the system running and putting out fires (if customer complains there is a hair in the food, manager deals with it).
 

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I don’t disagree the arrangement can work just fine. I just always thought it was odd that the system of compensation is different than almost all other employers. I don’t know the history on why it was originally set up that way, nor do I care to look it up. It’s just strange tips are considered part of compensation which has made them accepted and expected in the US.
Can you imagine the service you would get at a flat hourly rate.
 

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The guy that said they should be making 30 plus an hour
Said no one. You're making things up.
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"My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean."

...it was you. Do you have a head injury?
 

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Not “should”… but definitely could. My wife regularly makes $300-400 on a 4-5 hour shift. But she works at a pricey Italian restaurant and has a lot of regular customers. it also helps that she’s hot and has a cute Polish accent .
Lead waiters at the place I was at regularly made that kind of money when they served guests in the wine cellar.
 
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