[gardiner]

• Ohio Under 20 Minimum Wage - $4.25 - Federal law allows any employer in Ohio to pay a new employee who is under 20 years of age a training wage of $4.25 per hour for the first 90 days of employment.
• Ohio Student Minimum Wage - $8.59 - Full-time high school or college students who work part-time may be paid 85% of the Ohio minimum wage (as little as $8.59 per hour) for up to 20 hours of work per week at certain employers (such as work-study programs at universities).
• Ohio Tipped Minimum Wage - See Here - Employees who earn a certain amount of tips every month may be paid a lower cash minimum wage, but must earn at least $10.10 including tips every hour. For more details, read about the Ohio tipped minimum wage.

 

[Tn Turf]

"My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean."

...it was you. Do you have a head injury?

Ahhh, now the truth comes out. I never said she "should". I said she "is" averaging. Big difference. I can't control what people decide to tip. Do you think she should refund her tips back to the patreons?

The only part of that entire post with the word "should" reads they should pay minimum wage ($7.25) for after hours cleaning instead of $3.25 (below minimum wage). Is that unreasonable?

What percentage do you typically tip for excellent service?

 

[It's me]

Ahhh, now the truth comes out. I never said she "should". I said she "is" averaging. Big difference. I can't control what people decide to tip. Do you think she should refund her tips back to the patreons?

The only part of that entire post with the word "should" reads they should pay minimum wage ($7.25) for after hours cleaning instead of $3.25 (below minimum wage). Is that unreasonable?

What percentage do you typically tip for excellent service?

I think it's unreasonable. If a waiter is averaging well above minimum wage then why should they be paying any more.bwhat most people don't understand is that restaurants profit margins are very low. Everyone wants higher wages because they don't understand economics. Same reason most people vote a certain way. The average guy usually doesn't really understand how things really work, and that is why we have the system we ended up with.

20 percent is for excellent service. I won't tip at all if they suck.

 

[RSG]

I think it's unreasonable. If a waiter is averaging well above minimum wage then why should they be paying any more.bwhat most people don't understand is that restaurants profit margins are very low. Everyone wants higher wages because they don't understand economics. Same reason most people vote a certain way. The average guy usually doesn't really understand how things really work, and that is why we have the system we ended up with.

20 percent is for excellent service. I won't tip at all if they suck.

What do you do when a customer says you're too expensive?

 

[Tn Turf]

I think it's unreasonable. If a waiter is averaging well above minimum wage then why should they be paying any more.bwhat most people don't understand is that restaurants profit margins are very low. Everyone wants higher wages because they don't understand economics. Same reason most people vote a certain way. The average guy usually doesn't really understand how things really work, and that is why we have the system we ended up with.

20 percent is for excellent service. I won't tip at all if they suck.

So you'd have employees scrape decks, sharpen blades, and change oil after a long day of work for $3/hr since they earned above minimum wage while mowing? My guys get tips all the time. Should I deduct that from their hourly wage? I'm not sure why you're so mad about servers earning decent tips...

 

[It's me]

So you'd have employees scrape decks, sharpen blades, and change oil after a long day of work for $3/hr since they earned above minimum wage while mowing? My guys get tips all the time. Should I deduct that from their hourly wage? I'm not sure why you're so mad about servers earning decent tips...

Again, your not really paying attention and bound on defending your position regardless of what point anyone is trying to make. 1. Landscape work is not dependant on tips due to the different business models they operate on.
2. If they made a decent living and got tips and wanted more, I would tell them to eat **** and go back to school or start your own business.

Again, I don't care if a restaurant worker earns tips, the problem is that YOU expect them to earn more outside of their hours of daily tipping, when they are already making good money for a very menial task.

You can't pay everyone more so everyone is happy, it doesn't work like that. The economy/world must have a spectrum of low and high earners.

Think about this...
Your guys make 16 bucks an hour, but receive 50 bucks in tips during 5 hours of the day, making their average 26 bucks an hour. Why don't you pay them 26 bucks an hour when their not getting tipped? Are you going to pay Jose who can hardly speak English , or three toothed Jimmy 26 bucks an hour when he best asset is holding a line trimmer?

 

[It's me]

What do you do when a customer says you're too expensive?

Walk

 

[gardiner]

Example Tip Credit Calculation:
Let's say Rick is a host in Ohio who receives an hourly wage of $10.10, the Ohio minimum wage. During an hour long scheduled shift, Rick receives $5.00 in tips.
For that hour, Rick's employer can credit $4.25 of the received tips against Rick's hourly wage of $10.10, so they will only pay $4.30 in cash wages for that hour. However, including both the cash wage and the $5.00 in tips received, Rick's total earnings are $9.00.
In the next hour of their shift, Rick receives no tips. Because no tips were received to be credited against the minimum wage, the employer must pay Rick $10.10 in cash wages for this hour.

 

[gardiner]

I'm thinking it's crazy how. We have to pay people to work starting at 20 a hour. When a state minimum is 10.10
If you're paying a guy 20 hourly.
Then the economy falls hard.
Then what.
Then I think of comments I seen on here how someone is only charging 20 to cut a lawn. 🤦‍♂️

 

[It's me]

I'm thinking it's crazy how. We have to pay people to work starting at 20 a hour. When a state minimum is 10.10
If you're paying a guy 20 hourly.
Then the economy falls hard.
Then what.
Then I think of comments I seen on here how someone is only charging 20 to cut a lawn. 🤦‍♂️

Im 100 percent pro p for p. The minimum wage workforce should be ground up as compost. Most of them, and even a majority of guys at the lower end of skilled trades or absolutely worthless.

 

[Tn Turf]

Again, I don't care if a restaurant worker earns tips, the problem is that YOU expect them to earn more outside of their hours of daily tipping, when they are already making good money for a very menial task.

And my point is when their "hours of daily tipping" is over, they should go home.... Not stay and clean for $4.50 UNDER minimum wage when the doors are locked and they NO LONGER have the ability to EARN TIPS from tipping customers. If the restaurant doesn't want to pay laborers legal minimum wage to clean, then the restaurant should contract an outside company to clean.

Servers work hard for their money and often get shafted on tips. I suspect by people like you who think they already earn too much, and expect the next table will compensate enough to cover your inconsiderations.

 

[It's me]

And my point is when their "hours of daily tipping" is over, they should go home.... Not stay and clean for $4.50 UNDER minimum wage when the doors are locked and they NO LONGER have the ability to EARN TIPS from tipping customers. If the restaurant doesn't want to pay laborers legal minimum wage to clean, then the restaurant should contract an outside company to clean.

Servers work hard for their money and often get shafted on tips. I suspect by people like you who think they already earn too much, and expect the next table will compensate enough to cover your inconsiderations.

So servers work harder than the cleaners?

 

[It's me]

So servers work harder than the cleaners?

I can't figure out why you hold servers in such high regard, or having such a high-value position.

 

[RSG]

Baby boomer saw about 21 federal minimum wage increases during their working life. GenX saw around 14.

Millennials saw about 3, and genZ has seen 0 unless their state raised the minimum wage.

So basically, once boomers and X didn't benefit from the minimum wage, the increases stopped.

 

[TaraAnn]

My daughter works at Applebees earning $3.25/hr. She averages $23 to $33/hr after tips depending on the night. She has to close the restaurant at night... so she has to clean for an hour only earning $3.25 (below minimum wage) which I think is BS because she can't earn tips cleaning. They should pay her at least states $7.25 minimum wage to clean.

Whenever I last managed a restaurant, it was an average per pay period. Being that all of our shifts had regular busy times and downtimes, the servers were encouraged to do their “side work,” during the downtimes. That said, if it was a known time that was always “dead,” and the servers were being required to work (yet without opportunities for tips), they were permitted to clock-in as the lowest paid wage (which the restaurant I worked at, everyone was above minimum wage other than servers and delivery drivers). There were “seasons,” where the servers’ wages, with tips, averaged to be less than minimum wage (very rare). During those times, they were compensated at an increased hourly rate (restaurant minimum wage as opposed to server minimum wage). Although, I’m no longer in the restaurant industry, I can say at a well established restaurant it’s not unheard of to average $65-$110/hour (with tips, of course). Not sure how the bartenders as Applebee’s fair, but at privately owned restaurants, many bartenders will average $150/hour. Lots of unreported money that moves around in the restaurant industry.

I’d rather remodel than be a server. Crap hours, crap customers, more crap hours. All my friends in the serving business made more than me in college, I never wanted to go work with them lol.

My mother has been a waitress for about 50 years now. Growing up, it was restaurants that offered “lunch shifts,” that put my mom home with us children before school, and home with us children after school. While the shifts/scheduling may look unappealing to some, it works really well for others. 💁‍♀️ Restaurant employment essentially allowed my mom to be both a working and a stay at home mom.

Ahhh, now the truth comes out. I never said she "should". I said she "is" averaging. Big difference. I can't control what people decide to tip. Do you think she should refund her tips back to the patreons?

The only part of that entire post with the word "should" reads they should pay minimum wage ($7.25) for after hours cleaning instead of $3.25 (below minimum wage). Is that unreasonable?

What percentage do you typically tip for excellent service?

I can’t imagine someone being upset at someone who performs well at his or her job, and therefore earns an above average living as a result.

Good on your daughter! I’m sure you and your wife are proud of her work ethic. Brings the old saying to mind, “hard work pays off!”

Example Tip Credit Calculation:
Let's say Rick is a host in Ohio who receives an hourly wage of $10.10, the Ohio minimum wage. During an hour long scheduled shift, Rick receives $5.00 in tips.
For that hour, Rick's employer can credit $4.25 of the received tips against Rick's hourly wage of $10.10, so they will only pay $4.30 in cash wages for that hour. However, including both the cash wage and the $5.00 in tips received, Rick's total earnings are $9.00.
In the next hour of their shift, Rick receives no tips. Because no tips were received to be credited against the minimum wage, the employer must pay Rick $10.10 in cash wages for this hour.

Yeah, this is pretty standard as far as I know!

I can't figure out why you hold servers in such high regard, or having such a high-value position.

Totally read through this whole thread…cannot see/comprehend what you’re getting at, man. And, if anything, you should be able to figure out why he may (as he never really made a statement one way or the other) hold servers in a high regard — his daughter is a server, and a good one based on the things he has shared.

Why should good employees not be held in high regard?? No matter the industry.

 

[It's me]

Whenever I last managed a restaurant, it was an average per pay period. Being that all of our shifts had regular busy times and downtimes, the servers were encouraged to do their “side work,” during the downtimes. That said, if it was a known time that was always “dead,” and the servers were being required to work (yet without opportunities for tips), they were permitted to clock-in as the lowest paid wage (which the restaurant I worked at, everyone was above minimum wage other than servers and delivery drivers). There were “seasons,” where the servers’ wages, with tips, averaged to be less than minimum wage (very rare). During those times, they were compensated at an increased hourly rate (restaurant minimum wage as opposed to server minimum wage). Although, I’m no longer in the restaurant industry, I can say at a well established restaurant it’s not unheard of to average $65-$110/hour (with tips, of course). Not sure how the bartenders as Applebee’s fair, but at privately owned restaurants, many bartenders will average $150/hour. Lots of unreported money that moves around in the restaurant industry.



My mother has been a waitress for about 50 years now. Growing up, it was restaurants that offered “lunch shifts,” that put my mom home with us children before school, and home with us children after school. While the shifts/scheduling may look unappealing to some, it works really well for others. 💁‍♀️ Restaurant employment essentially allowed my mom to be both a working and a stay at home mom.


I can’t imagine someone being upset at someone who performs well at his or her job, and therefore earns an above average living as a result.

Good on your daughter! I’m sure you and your wife are proud of her work ethic. Brings the old saying to mind, “hard work pays off!”



Yeah, this is pretty standard as far as I know!



Totally read through this whole thread…cannot see/comprehend what you’re getting at, man. And, if anything, you should be able to figure out why he may (as he never really made a statement one way or the other) hold servers in a high regard — his daughter is a server, and a good one based on the things he has shared.

Why should good employees not be held in high regard?? No matter the industry.

I don't know how you could miss the point I made. It's not that they can't be regarded well within their industry, but understanding their societal value and how everyone should'nt be making good money due to the heirarchy of value. Maybe think bell curve.

 

[Rick1111]

Raise minimum wage and everything else follows. Fix inflation ,not minimum wages.

ok I remember this argument. A few years ago the argument was for $15. Now that’s not enough it’s now $20 an hour. I say, and I am 100% serious, raise it to $1000 per hour. Right? Because more is better right. You implied that… if you didn’t say it outright. See your quote. If $1000 an hour for minimum wage is a BAD thing please explain to me why?
But then then you say “fix inflation, not minimum wage.” Here’s where input my economics hat on to tell you raising minimum wage increases inflation. You don’t have to tell me I am wrong as I’ve already been proven right so many times it’s stupid by economists from Yale Harvard etc. But again if $15 an hour benefits everyone (talking point or the left) then let’s just make it $1000 an hour! Why not?

 

[Rick1111]

The #1 primary cause of inflation is money entering into the system. This was effectively done by Covid stimulus if you want to bring recent times to the argument. Trump, Biden I do not give one single sheet it all causes inflation this is elementary economics. And it was all wrong imo.

 

[GRANTSKI]

Are you going to pay Jose who can hardly speak English , or three toothed Jimmy 26 bucks an hour when he best asset is holding a line trimmer?

Need to Add this to the list of “why can’t I keep employees”?
It’s crazy how many owners don’t respect the trimmer guy. He’s running around every lawn while the mower guys sit on their arss most of the day. . Trimming is an important detail and speed and a clean job actually matter. I prefer to start a new guy on the mowers… cuz trimming is just as important to me & almost as hard to get good at. So I don’t think they deserve less regardless off their vocabulary or how many teeth in their mouth.

 

[GRANTSKI]

Whenever I last managed a restaurant, it was an average per pay period. Being that all of our shifts had regular busy times and downtimes, the servers were encouraged to do their “side work,” during the downtimes. That said, if it was a known time that was always “dead,” and the servers were being required to work (yet without opportunities for tips), they were permitted to clock-in as the lowest paid wage (which the restaurant I worked at, everyone was above minimum wage other than servers and delivery drivers). There were “seasons,” where the servers’ wages, with tips, averaged to be less than minimum wage (very rare). During those times, they were compensated at an increased hourly rate (restaurant minimum wage as opposed to server minimum wage). Although, I’m no longer in the restaurant industry, I can say at a well established restaurant it’s not unheard of to average $65-$110/hour (with tips, of course). Not sure how the bartenders as Applebee’s fair, but at privately owned restaurants, many bartenders will average $150/hour. Lots of unreported money that moves around in the restaurant industry.



My mother has been a waitress for about 50 years now. Growing up, it was restaurants that offered “lunch shifts,” that put my mom home with us children before school, and home with us children after school. While the shifts/scheduling may look unappealing to some, it works really well for others. 💁‍♀️ Restaurant employment essentially allowed my mom to be both a working and a stay at home mom.


I can’t imagine someone being upset at someone who performs well at his or her job, and therefore earns an above average living as a result.

Good on your daughter! I’m sure you and your wife are proud of her work ethic. Brings the old saying to mind, “hard work pays off!”



Yeah, this is pretty standard as far as I know!



Totally read through this whole thread…cannot see/comprehend what you’re getting at, man. And, if anything, you should be able to figure out why he may (as he never really made a statement one way or the other) hold servers in a high regard — his daughter is a server, and a good one based on the things he has shared.

Why should good employees not be held in high regard?? No matter the industry.

Most ppl w that attitude towards servers … have never served a meal in their life. Never mind 200 meals a night to a restaurant full of ppl that all want something different. All w different attitudes and personalities some very nasty towards you especially when “hangry”. The females get stupid and pervy comments constantly from both customers and kitchen staff. it’s just “part of the job” though. Servers w accents are often talked down on. Never knowing exactly how much they’ll make. Yea actually servers deserve a pretty good pay I’d never wanna do it.