Now I know I have been "vulchering" for quite a while but I felt I needed to vent a little on a scenario I am facing in S.W. Ohio. I have been overbidding on a corporate account of 12 facilities for the past 4 years, each year reducing my price in order to land this account. This year however I have an "In" into the actual bidding of these facilities and I wanted to share my frustrations. First of all these facilities are in a triangular pattern that takes me 45 minutes from shop to point A from A to B...etc. as well as most anyone else who would bid on any of these accounts. One of the centers gave me one of the estimates from another "supplier" that showed this person driving 45 minutes to reach the facility, mow, trim & blow another 45 minutes, and at least another 30 minutes to the next center (all that have to be serviced after 6M or on the weekends) and charging them $38.00. Where as I am almost double that price. First of all, bid at a price to where you can at least make a small profit, secondly understand what the market you are going into will bare, thirdly if you are willing to take a loss and look like a "idiot", like several other posts have eluded to, do not drive out of your area to do it! I could go on and on as to how they are not charging for spring and fall clean-ups, only charging for 22 out of 35 potential mows, etc., but, I feel a little better now and will wait on corporates final decision, but I wish everyone on this site who is willing to better their operation, small or large, a great 2004!