Moss question

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by ukie, Mar 28, 2006.

  1. ukie

    ukie LawnSite Member
    Messages: 2

    One of my new customers has major moss problem, I never had to deal with this yet. So, to make a long story short... What should I do first: apply moss control then pre-m. Is it a good time to work on moss? When should I overseed the area?
    The place is in 90% shade and hilly and no standing water, also they have a dog there, but willing to keep him inside for a few days 'till it rain...
  2. Xterminator

    Xterminator LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 279

    Till it lime it and plant it
  3. TMarch

    TMarch LawnSite Member
    Messages: 31

    I've heard of good results with Quicksilver Lesco carries it.
  4. lilmarvin4064

    lilmarvin4064 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 757

    or insecticidal soap. muriate of potash (also help to dessicate). disturb the soil and remove the moss if possible, spread ferrous sulfate, and more potash if necessary. reseed with starter. incorporate perlite, Soilmaster, or sand or something that will improve drainage. Lime and gypsum usually help too. spoon feed the new turf with amonium sulfate.

    oh yeah, and to get all this to work, you should probably remove some trees or braches, you need more sunlight, and more drainage
  5. sheshovel

    sheshovel LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,112

    moss= no drainage in the area..tou must build up the soil structure so it will drain properly..dig in organic matter..compost and reseed it.
  6. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,341

    Forget applying iron or herbicides. If you dont improve the conditions that caused the moss, it will just come back. Moss needs three things to thrive. Shade, Poor drainage, Poor soil. Eliminate two of those problems and the moss will die. Simply fixing one of the problems wont eliminate the moss.
  7. FINN

    FINN LawnSite Senior Member
    from PA.
    Messages: 280

    When I get a lawn like this I tell my customers "Sometimes we have to look up before we look down". I then explain much of what has allready been said in this post. The site conditions need to be changed,before grass can be established. Give them a number of a good tree company and offer to restablish the lawn. You will make more money and save them money in the long run.
  8. cemars

    cemars LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    With or without moss, why would you apply pre-m with 90% shade?.
  9. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
    Messages: 1,568

    Gotta agree with Mr. Finn. If it is 90% shade, moss may be the greenest stuff you will grow there. Cut some trees down. Gras needs sunlight to grow, I don't care what anybody says. Moss also like crappy, acidic soils. If you are on a hill, be careful about ripping out the moss. It might be the only thing keeping the soil there. Also, pre-emergant chemicals will do exactly jack for moss. the last moss killer I saw was mostly copper. Basically a toxic dose of the stuff. Would probably kill any grass too, though. In situations like these, it is time to find "an alternative ground cover". Sell them on a shrub and perrennial landscape bed.
  10. griffy77

    griffy77 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 102

    I have to agree with the other guys about the light. Without enough little grass aint going to grow.

    One thing to note is if you find moss growing in th lawn were there is at least%50 light or more than there is a serious problem with the PH. Moss is a good indicater of acidic soil. Anytime I find moss on turf then I know right away I need to sweeten the soil.

    I found by adding 2000lbs per 3000sqft of lime and add a little Ironite with it I will eliminate the moss. Works everytime. Its still good to take a soil anylsis before starting any fert progam. IMO

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