I've put in some mr-8 j-lighters from nightscaping in the past and did a bid today that included 6 gutter mounts on a 2 story home with setback dormer/peaks. I was wondering if there are any other mr-8 fixtures out there, or maybe some tiny bi-pin floods that cost less than a tank of gas? I was quite shocked when told of the cost of J-liters today, they are at least twice what they used to be at my local supply place. I am also looking for another option on gutter mounts if anyone has ideas. on a seperate rant, WHY are j-liters so high anyway? it literally is a one inch copper pipe, a socket, and a few smaller pieces of pipe with screws. I think I could build a workable gutter mount mr-8 fixture in an hour with 10 bucks in copper pipe parts!