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  1. TX Easymoney

    TX Easymoney LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,082

    I've used clip for many years...why do you want to rely on some sort of connection to qb which would alter scheduling? I mean...in qb you can run a report and see delinquent accounts and then manually adjust schedule.
    Clip does have a feature as you have described, ...credit limit...it will place a note on the route sheet and summary sheet...also, there is also an option to do it someplace else..I forgot where, but I've seen it...
    I'd take credit card info and do the work, charge the card...much easier
  2. TX Easymoney

    TX Easymoney LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,082

    Ability to send prework notifications or postwork notification. For one..
    Another is the scheduling flexibility is not as great..
    Ability to quickly shift an entire days work to another day..
    Ability to record start and stop times for jobs.
    Ability to upload routes into GPS mapping software and track your crews...real time
    Its been 6 or 8 months since I looked at jobber...

    I hope they step up...competition makes all companies better or they go broke...clip ks designed by guys in the business
  3. TX Easymoney

    TX Easymoney LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,082

    I email all invoices via QuickBooks. Clip can do it also or print job route invoices to leave at houses
  4. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
    from MI
    Messages: 5,281

    Ability to record start and stop times for jobs.- they have it now
    Another is the scheduling flexibility is not as great- that has really changed
    Ability to upload routes into GPS mapping software and track your crews-That would be handy
    Ability to quickly shift an entire days work to another day-its click and drag now for the calender.
  5. TX Easymoney

    TX Easymoney LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,082

    clip has a checkbox and you choose which jobs to shift or hit 'all'...then date...
    Project future
    Material load lists for each day per crew
    Calculates time spent working per employee on each job and totals at end of day

    Clip's interface when used on a tablet need to be fixed...as well as in cellphone. Resizing is annoying...crews learning curve took a while to be able to use the system accurately.

    At end of day I download all the data which is recorded each day by crews and calculates employee hours, totals..I think jobber is all online whereas clip is installed on your computer
  6. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
    from MI
    Messages: 5,281

    Ya its cloud based and all live. For the phone they really need an app that can run offline so you have everything when you loose signal and update once you get signal. If you could highlight multiple jobs and drag that would make it a cinch. Jobber is only about 4 or less years old so it will be interesting what it will look like in 4 more when they have a larger team and more $$$ to work with. The good thing is when they release something new it has been bug free except the QuickBooks syncing, which they told me that was QuickBooks beta app itself by QuickBooks which is poor. I guess they have been let in on a new one which is fixing a lot of issues. I haven't played with that yet, they said I could talk to the guy who was the developer for that part of jobber if I have more issues. That is one thing I like about jobber, they don't pawn you off on someone who doesent have clue, but you talk to one of they guys responsible for making the program.
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  7. GreenAsItGets

    GreenAsItGets LawnSite Member
    from Apex NC
    Messages: 18

    STILL ON THE HUNT- Demo'd Clip & SAP, Using Hindsite, Leaning towards Jobber, looking into Billmaster.
    We are mainly landscape maintenance- 4 crews, 1 install/enhancement, and 1 lawn tech and are currently tracking/quoting via excel sheets and sending quotes with Word docs (We should be quoting at least thru QB-but were not) and printing way too much paper, do not have a CRM in place. Stressed about loss of information- both in the office and translating client needs to the crews- we searched for solutions.
    We demo'd Clip late 2012- way too crude and behind the times and not near advanced enough, then used SAP, but just after 1 month using SAP- the software/co in general seemed a bit unorganized/not fully cooked and found them repeatedly responding to our qtns "Oh yeah we are working on that bug- or that feature should be out soon", and after hearing of other issues we bailed and searched on.
    Signed up with Hindsite mid Summer 2013, they sold us stating it would do alot of things mentioned in this thread, and after we dug deeper found out- it can do most- kinda, but many functions are a bit archaic & overly time consuming, or don't work at all-
    1st issue- quoting through the software- u can, but they now say its easier to do it thru a QB template then send it to HS as its not really a key built in function and u have to pay them extra $ to make quote templates- nice.
    2nd- U want to enter your clients services in? Ok great- Create the services, create the 1st client, add what the client gets, then u detail what ea service has for parameters=choose 34 mowings @ 1.2 hrs, pruning 3 times @ 3 hrs ea, etc. fine- After u spend an hour getting that one client in- they say its best not to make a repeat function or a standard package, just spend an hour per client to manually enter the rest of the clients. Wow, I'm hearing Kenny Chesney now- "there goes my life"…
    3rd item- I want to send emails to my clients of services coming up or after we completed- u know "client updates", well u can with Hindsite- only just now they announce u can via a 3rd party constant contact feature- for only $50/month!!?? >again no thanks I would rather pay CC $15/month, but really would rather have an message feature thats truly tied into the service software.
    4rth- Hindsite has mobile capability but can have syncing issues that don't always translate back to homebase-(To avoid this u have to Manually Sink after every stop- Not sure the crews will be able to do this day in/day out. + No GPS functionality tied to the mobile devices (Jobber said they are releasing this- they seem light years ahead of Clip/Hindsite)
    5th- U have to have Hindsite attached to a local machine w/ quickbooks- not very 2014 if u ask me- Jobber has online capability already.
    6th- Hindsite talks a big game, they claim to help u with other things like marketing and growing your business- they have blogs and video trainings- like social media marketing (yet they have a whopping 153 likes on their FB page) really?
    Talked with Real Green sales about their new online version and with the add ons- were looking @ close to $400/month- thanks, but no.
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2013
  8. ant

    ant LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,466

    call john at billmaster, he will have u on your way by Thursday!
  9. GreenAsItGets

    GreenAsItGets LawnSite Member
    from Apex NC
    Messages: 18

    Will Do and thanks for the lead!
  10. Chad at HindSite

    Chad at HindSite Sponsor
    Messages: 64

    Hi GreenAsItGets,

    Thank you for the feedback about the HindSite Solution. We take customer feedback very seriously and appreciate that you’ve taken the time to point out what’s not working for you. We’d love to talk to you about this feedback – please contact me directly to discuss.

    I want to answer your concerns as transparently as possible:

    Quoting – I agree we are not as strong on quoting, because we have been operations focused – helping you turn your paper-based operations processes into electronic ones. We do charge for custom quote templates because it is custom work for each customer.

    Contract Data – HindSite works just like you want for contracts. We do have the ability to create contract templates. So you don’t have to setup each client contract individually if you use contract templates and the services are the same among multiple clients. I apologize that you did not know about that feature – we’d be happy to show it to you.

    Emails – Again, I think there’s been confusion with what our email add-on – called HindSite Connect – can do. It’s exactly what you’ve explained you want – a message feature that’s truly tied into the service software. You are correct that it’s integrated into Constant Contact, but that integration is only for the templating end of your emails. So you get the best of both worlds with Connect – the ability to send emails from your service software, and the ability to create professional emails with a few mouse clicks in Constant Contact. You can see what it does at http://www.hindsitesoftwae.com/connect.

    Mobile Capability – It’s true, sometimes you will have poor connectivity on mobile devices. And yes, you do need to sync your data back to the office. It’s as easy as pressing a sync button on your device once you’ve completed a job. We do not have GPS integrated into the solution yet. We are in preliminary discussions to add GPS functionality.

    Server vs. Cloud – We are server-based software. This has its advantages (you own your data, you’re not relying on an internet connection, security) and disadvantages (it’s more difficult to access anywhere, you need hardware that supports the software). We are currently developing a cloud-based solution.

    Marketing – The best form of marketing for your service business is delivering exceptional service. HindSite helps you do that by eliminating all the time-consuming paperwork from your business so you can focus on your customers. Facebook likes is a throwaway number. If we wanted more likes, we could pay for them like many of our competitors do. We choose not to. Our focus isn’t on likes, it’s on creating and sharing great content. Take a look at our Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn feeds and compare them to the competition. On their pages, you’ll find self-promotional items. On ours, you’ll mostly find business-related articles that we like or created. We're just philosophically different.

    Hope that helps clarify some of your feedback. Again, please contact me to discuss or if you have any additional questions. We truly value your input, and I'd be happy to get on a call to walk you through how to do what you want in HindSite.

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