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Need help from UAP users

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Victor, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. Victor

    Victor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,430

    For those of you that use UAP products, what blend of fertilizer do you use to prepare your lawns for the stresses of Summer (for lawns where the customer won't pay for insect protection)? The only applicable product I saw a price for, was their 22-0-22 with 60% BCMU blend, that's listed at $21.50 per bag! Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

  2. naughty62

    naughty62 LawnSite Senior Member
    from iowa
    Messages: 369

    The uap site sucks when comes to finding granular fertilizer.they usual carry uap in the generic white bag, loveland , signiture brands.talk to dealer and let him know how much and what your looking for .last year we picked up some 15-0-16 ? % ppscu 4% iron 10% S .with our slighty high Ph this worked great around here at 1/2to 3/4 lb. of N .Its best talk to your dealer.They do carry a 25-0 25 summerizer but I have not been able to find a label online.
  3. Victor

    Victor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,430

    Thanks for the info Naughty. I'm going to check and see if my local dealer can get that 15-0-16 in. The product list they gave me is pretty limited, so I have doubts that they'll carry it, but I'll definitely look into it and would love to try it, if it's an option for me.
    I've been getting most of my fert products from Advanced Turf Solutions (Anderson's brand fertilizer), but they don't have any blends like I'm looking for under $30 a bag. I did find out thought, that my UAP distributor carries a 19-0-19 blend in stock. It's K is derived from Sulphate of Potash (a definite plus over Potassium Chloride from what I've read), but it's N source is 100% STU. I'm not so sure that a 75-80% slow-release wouldn't be better. If my local UAP distributor doesn't carry the 15-0-16 you recommended Naughty, at least I have the 19-0-19 to fall back on I guess. Thanks again for the heads up. I really do appreciate it.

  4. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,540

    It appears that you want a high percentage of potash in your summer blend or beginning of summer blend, (for summer stress). Why do you want the high potash? If the customer doesn't want to pay for insect control--why would you give him an expensive fertilizer? Potash is very water soluble--a few good rains or sprinklings and most of it is gone. Exactly what kind of stress do you expect? Drought? Insects? Disease?
    Scotts Turfbuilder is usually 28-4-4 which is a 7 to one ratio. Are they wrong?
  5. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,969


    Very Wrong

    Yes Scotts turf build is not the blend you want for drought stress by any means. Try a 1-0-3 ratio if you really want to help your turf avoid Summer Drought Stress.
  6. Victor

    Victor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,430

    While I haven't had a chance to check the availablility, or price of the 15-0-16 product that Naughty mentioned, I do know I can get the 19-0-19 blend for around $17 a bag. $17 a bag might seem like a lot to pay for each bag, but since I'm only looking to put down around a half-pound of N at this time of year, I'll be using this product at half-rate. Therefore; a 50lb. bag that would cover 12.5 M at normal rate would cover 25 M at half-rate. That brings my cost of product used per lawn, right back into line. As a result, this application would be one of my cheapest ones to perform because of using the product at half-rate.

    Thanks for the tip Ric. If I ever get the impression we're gonna have another bad drought, I'll definitely look for a blend with an analysis like that then. I will DEFINITELY make sure the K source is SOP though. I guess a 100% slow-release N source wouldn't be a bad idea either, if I was expecting a drought.

    I can only imagine the problems you have to deal with down there in the Summertime, between the heat, humidity, loamy soil and insects. Man that must be tough!

  7. NattyLawn

    NattyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,643

    I said this in another thread, but we used gypsum w/humate and had a few mowing companies ask why our lawns bounced back quicker from the summer stress than other companies...
  8. Prolawnservice

    Prolawnservice LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 612

    Where do you get that product? What rate do you put it down at? Cost?

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