Need some help on this..

bdlawncare

LawnSite Member
Location
nj
Okay, im just going to give you a little headsup this post may be a little long. I am also new here so looking for constructive critisism. I have an oppurtunity to start up a small landscaping business in my area due to snow removal customers inquiring about lawn services. I have about 40-50 btw. Anyway I am looking to get into the business and I obviously am insured and the company is set up because of the snow removal side of things. However I am a little confused on how to approach this.. Basically my area has a mix between small and large lawns by small i mean 1/4 acre to 1/2 acre and large from 1-5.5 give ot take a little bit. I have saved up enough money to buy a mower but they are still very expensive $8000 for a new stander. Do you guys think I would be better of spending more money upfront and buying the 8000$ mower or investing say 5-6 and get a smaller mower and new trailer and cut just the small lawns. I have the oppurtunity to do the larger lawns like i said but this will require much more money on my part to "start up"

Trailer - 1000$

Stander 52" - 8000$

Little Wonder 13hp - 1200$

New Backpack - 500$

New line trimmer - 350$

so this is what i would need to be able to handle larger lawns like the ones i mentioned above. however if i decide to just cut the smaller lawns i only need

Trailer -1000$

Mower - 2-3 G

and i have the rest:

1 line trimmer - Kawasaki

1 backpack -

2 little wonders 5hp and 8hp

21" mower

Edger

and a few other things..

Basically what im asking is do you think it would be worth it for me to spend a little more and do the larger lawns and in turn make more money... I know it depends on the numbers alot.... But im just wondering if i should dive in this deep the first year out.. like i said looking for constructive critisism not just useless garbage that sometimes gets thrown around these sites. Not saying thats what the story is on here but i have seen it happen a number of times. So anyway i appreciate the help and thanks in advance looking foward to hearing your responses
 

stockie

LawnSite Member
Location
Shrewsbury Ma
I would say its hard to buy a mower for a specific lawn. If you are starting up, you want to take any customer or job you can get. Are you going to say to a potential customer "Sorry, cant mow your lawn, my mower is too small/big"? That isnt a professional way to go. I think a 52" mower will fit most lawns. Now to the money. I think you should be looking used. You can get some good deals out there if you look around. I just bought a 52" bobcat fast cat pro for 4500. My budget was about 4k (which is low for a rider) I looked at so many exmarks for 4k, that had 2000+ hrs. I gave up, they were trash. Then I found this one with 50 hrs. For 8k, you could get a used 52" and 36". With a 52 and 36 you can do any lawn. Also, if you go small, doesnt mean you cant do a big lawn. Do it this year to land the customer, then upgrade next year to be more efficient
 

Five Points

LawnSite Member
Location
Ontario,Canada
I started seven yrs ago with a 52 inch toro walk behind. awesome mower. still have it. as well as others now. first yr I had 12 lawns all sizes up to three acres plus. icould do them all. Bought a sulky for i tpart way through. Little lawns are ok but get old easy. A few big ones in the mix are kinda of nice.

The previous post about not turning any lawns away is a good point. especially if close to an exsiting property.

I have three main mowers now 52 -56 inches I cut properties from pretty small to my biggest eight acres. only use a 21 inch on a handful of them.

Good luck
 
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bdlawncare

LawnSite Member
Location
nj
I found a good deal on an exmark metro, and looking to maybe pick up a used stander... the metro has 15 hrs sulkey and grass catcher 1300$
 

stockie

LawnSite Member
Location
Shrewsbury Ma
What size is the metro? 36"? Just make sure you check it out and feel comfortable. Im not a mechanice but the 3 or 4 mowers i looked at, just didnt seem right. One, the owner couldnt tell me if the hydro pumps had been replaced. Thats a 1000 dollar job, I think he would remember. The other, I was told had 680 hours on it. When I got there it looked like ****, and the hour meter cover was popped off. They guy just rolled back the hrs. There are deals out there, just look around so you know if your getting a good deal.

I dont know much about sulkeys, never used one. But I have heard people say they can wear on the motor alot, pulling your weight. Depending on the engine size of the metro, I wonder if its big enough for a sulkey. May want to ask others on here.
 

weeze

LawnSite Fanatic
8000 for a 52" standon mower sounds really high. i paid 8000 for my 54" ztr. i think you could find a better price than that on a standon even if you have to get a 48" or something.
 

DIXIECONTRACTING

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
NY
Maybe start out with a used 48" walk behind and used blower and trimmer ( approx. 2k-3k ) until the money starts to roll in and then if things are still looking good buy some new equipment.
 

ralph02813

LawnSite Bronze Member
Location
Charlestown, RI
Okay, im just going to give you a little headsup this post may be a little long. I am also new here so looking for constructive critisism. I have an oppurtunity to start up a small landscaping business in my area due to snow removal customers inquiring about lawn services. I have about 40-50 btw. Anyway I am looking to get into the business and I obviously am insured and the company is set up because of the snow removal side of things. However I am a little confused on how to approach this.. Basically my area has a mix between small and large lawns by small i mean 1/4 acre to 1/2 acre and large from 1-5.5 give ot take a little bit. I have saved up enough money to buy a mower but they are still very expensive $8000 for a new stander. Do you guys think I would be better of spending more money upfront and buying the 8000$ mower or investing say 5-6 and get a smaller mower and new trailer and cut just the small lawns. I have the oppurtunity to do the larger lawns like i said but this will require much more money on my part to "start up"

Trailer - 1000$

Stander 52" - 8000$

Little Wonder 13hp - 1200$

New Backpack - 500$

New line trimmer - 350$

so this is what i would need to be able to handle larger lawns like the ones i mentioned above. however if i decide to just cut the smaller lawns i only need

Trailer -1000$

Mower - 2-3 G

and i have the rest:

1 line trimmer - Kawasaki

1 backpack -

2 little wonders 5hp and 8hp

21" mower

Edger

and a few other things..

Basically what im asking is do you think it would be worth it for me to spend a little more and do the larger lawns and in turn make more money... I know it depends on the numbers alot.... But im just wondering if i should dive in this deep the first year out.. like i said looking for constructive critisism not just useless garbage that sometimes gets thrown around these sites. Not saying thats what the story is on here but i have seen it happen a number of times. So anyway i appreciate the help and thanks in advance looking foward to hearing your responses


Ok, I promised myself I would respond, because I am confused. What confuses me is it seems like you are ready to put an $8000. mower on a piece of sh$$$$ trailer I am not sure where you get a trailer for 1k but anyway.
If you really have 40 - 50 lawns, I would take a day or two right now and walk them all. Can you use a standup? Are there gates/what size? Are there hills/how steep? How hard/soft is the ground? How man in each size category?

If I was going to spend $8k on a mower it better by cutting around 48 a minimum maybe 60. But again you need to look at the properties.

If 40-50 customers is what you think you can get, go for a descent trailer $1500. - $2000, new 36 walk behind $3500. Blower $500.00 Trimmer $250.00, Hedger $350.00 total investment $6,700 use the other $1,300 for gas, oil, blades and hand tools.
 

orangemower

LawnSite Silver Member
Location
pa
Get a good used 60" ztr and a 36" walk behind and the other small handhelds you memtioned. You can find a trailer for the 1k just go over it good before you tag it. I put my 60" mower on 1/4 acre lots all the time and it looks great. Good luck.
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stockie

LawnSite Member
Location
Shrewsbury Ma
Ok, I promised myself I would respond, because I am confused. What confuses me is it seems like you are ready to put an $8000. mower on a piece of sh$$$$ trailer I am not sure where you get a trailer for 1k but anyway.
If you really have 40 - 50 lawns, I would take a day or two right now and walk them all. Can you use a standup? Are there gates/what size? Are there hills/how steep? How hard/soft is the ground? How man in each size category?

If I was going to spend $8k on a mower it better by cutting around 48 a minimum maybe 60. But again you need to look at the properties.

If 40-50 customers is what you think you can get, go for a descent trailer $1500. - $2000, new 36 walk behind $3500. Blower $500.00 Trimmer $250.00, Hedger $350.00 total investment $6,700 use the other $1,300 for gas, oil, blades and hand tools.

I agree with going with used equipment and a good trailer. But if this is a solo operation, I question if you can do 60 lawns a week with a 36". Of course it all depends on the route, and how far apart they are from each other.
 

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