Never done landscape ties before- price ideas?

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by columbiaplower, Jun 20, 2002.

  1. columbiaplower

    columbiaplower LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 462

    ok heres the deal- a regular customer wants about 90, eight foot landscape ties replaced. they range from 1 tie to 4 ties stacked. There wont be too much cutting (a few angles and some cut for staggering.) Old ties must be removed (about one load with the truck and trailer to the dump 20mins away) want to use spikes to hold it all together. may need to level the area the old ties were(ruts where they sank). any ways other than spikes to fasten? will need to pre drill holes for spikes. Wants a far price for this?


    ADLAWNCUTTERS LawnSite Member
    Messages: 191

    im no landscape expert,but i have done this before. i use a big drill & a long wood bit and dill them once thier in place. forget those stupid spikes . use 1/2 inch rebar and pound them in. im not sure what to charge i would charge approx .3,500 but thats just a sure there are guys that know what to charge. it is ball busting work and you should be paid well.
  3. Evan528

    Evan528 LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,144

    Figure out a price based on how many hours it will take......... THEN DOUBLE IT!!!!!!!! We just finished a noce sized landscape project and part of it included replaced several 15yr old landscape tie walls. What a PITA!!!! It took me at least twice as I had long as I had figured. I used 1/2 inch rebar through the first 2 layers then used timber lock screws for each layer above. DO NOT SKIMP ON YOUR PRICE!!! Figure on the rebar going in crooked several times and having to throw out several timbers.....
  4. AGLA

    AGLA LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,778

    First make sure that the dump will accept old ties and how much they will charge. Put in the contract that the dump charges are extra. Figure a flat fee to load and haul each truck load on top of the dump charge. That will cover your tail and not panic the customer. I really don't think you are going to get 90 RR ties to the dump in one load.
    I found that the 10" twisted (I don't remember the term, but they are like a deck nail) spikes go in and hold great without a pilot hole. Remember that the price of nails, screws, or rebar adds up quickly.
    I would level out a gravel base for that first course and anchor it with rebar.
  5. Lanelle

    Lanelle LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,361

    Also, how are you going to tie the wall to the earth behind it? Are you going to use deadmen? Here, our code calls for them to be 5 feet long with a 3 foot cross member. That means lots of extra digging. Also, remember to put in drainage behind the wall.

    MJ LANDSCAPING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 40

    most of the time we install pressure treated 6x6x12's We buy them in bulk for $20. each and we install them for $75. per tie which includes, spikes and rebar.. good luck
  7. BRL

    BRL LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,211

    I've been charging $50.00 per 8' length so my pricing is probably similar to what MJ posted. I usually stick to the 8 footers because I have found the 10's & 12's end up having many twisted or curved pieces that are a pain to deal with. The Timberlock Screws are great for connecting the upper rows to the first row and themselves. My advice is to not skimp on the tools. Buy the really expensive wood boring bits in the right lengths & sizes you need because they last longer & drill faster. Buy carbide tipped saw blades for the same reason. If you are doing a job with a lot of cuts you may find a "timber" saw at rental places that is large enough to do cuts in one swipe (or buy one if you do a lot of these walls). Offer to do an application of water sealer to increase the sale. A great final touch to the project is to bring a router & put a fancy edge on the walls.
  8. tailoredlook

    tailoredlook LawnSite Member
    Messages: 142

    Without seeing the site to know how much digging needed to get your base leveled I say on what you desribe time, materials (ties,rebar to hold your base ties and deadmen in plus spikes.) Demolition and removal of old wall somewhere between 4 & 5 k. Hope that helps.
  9. kris

    kris LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Messages: 1,578

    I was very fortunate in that I was taught "timber work " by a master. I do the beveled edges and "butt ends"( beveled edges all the way around ) . IMO it is what sets it apart from what a regular homeowner would do. Use re-bar on the bottom level and then "spiral spikes" as opposed to "common ". You can drill a couple of inches in if you like especially on the side corners to make hammering easier. Use lots of dead man. There are many tricks to make timber work go allot faster and to look the best. You will only learn by practice. First tip would be to get a small piece of pipe welded to the bottom of the head of your sledge, covering about 4 inches of your handle so when you miss the spike your not chewing up the handle. Unless of course your like me and never miss! LoL.
  10. PAPS

    PAPS LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 404

    I usually charge about $70.00 per 12' ties installed too......

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