I agree 100% with you darryl. You can only do, what you can do. If that means buying a New Holland/Case, Agco, Massey, Kubota, Deere, or whatever brand, go for it. They are all pretty good machines with similar features, and from companies that have been around for a long time. I didn't start this arguement here. I was responding to SSC's question about his choices and what he has looked at, or has a chance to buy, and a Kubota fan (lawnking) took exception to what I said apparently in my first post here (which is true regardless of whether or not they like it), and then all this BS started.