My company is up here in Michigan we started the company 10 years ago and when we started there were only like 5 companies in the irrigation business, so it was very lucrative. Now there is like 4 pages worth of these fly by night companies. Anyway 10 years ago the companies that were around were bidding jobs at like 120 bucks a head. We are now at about 80 bucks a head. That doesn't pay much when you account for payroll, insurance, etc.. So my complaint is how do we compete with these companies that are coming in and bidding 40-50 bucks a head. I have done the math they are making pennies its not worth it for me to get down that far. These companies are stealing all the business from reputable companies like mine that have been around for awhile. It really sucks anyone else have these problems?