Now my dad got the bug in my head I should just buy a used tandem axle dump. After looking at the prices of 06 F-450s for 46,000 before tax would buy a decent used Kenworth W-900 or LT-9000 Ford which makes 70-75 dollars per hour a F-550 is max 55 dollars per hour. A tandem wouldn't work everyday but when it does could be hauling 5-6 loads a day or put in a 8 hr day of hauling a F-450 I buy may haul a load a day. The the only thing with a F-450 is its my daily driver too used for landscaping jobs I may find a F-350 to do that. I'am wondering if its worth taking the step to buy a tandem I worked in excavation I know how to run a gravel truck. I was talking to a contractor in early January he said there is work for a tandem as a owner operator which is what I would be. I would work as a independant truck all the excavation contractors know who I'am I pretty much worked for them all part time. In the summer time it gets busy here the construction picks up and the contractors have their own trucks but some times they are so busy they need another truck. Like I said looking at prices on 450s and 550s you buy those trucks they are worn out before its paid for. A F-550 dump would make a good tight spot truck but is there enough work to justify the big price tag. There is absolutly no work for a 5 ton single axle they don't carry enough.