Saw this on the Deere website.
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New Deere compact track loader ct315
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No, they're not moving away from vertical lift machines. The only new models in the past couple years have been the 2 small radial machines--their purpose was to fill out the lineup. Deere previously had no small-frame skid steers.
As for the "low power," it's not about being "safe," it's about not cracking the booms or creating undue stress on a machine by giving it more power than is useful for the intended application. And don't forget that a machine only has as much power as it is able to put to the ground. If the CT315 has more power than its weight/traction is able to convert into tractive effort, the extra power is useless and wastes fuel. Hell, a CT322 only has 62 hp, and I know it will lose traction before it will bog down in most situations.
Dropping a 70hp engine in the 315 would be akin to putting a Duramax in an S-10. The numbers might look good on paper, but the machine is simply not built to withstand the kind of use a bigger machine is intended for. If you need more power, buy a CT322.
As for the "low power," it's not about being "safe," it's about not cracking the booms or creating undue stress on a machine by giving it more power than is useful for the intended application. And don't forget that a machine only has as much power as it is able to put to the ground. If the CT315 has more power than its weight/traction is able to convert into tractive effort, the extra power is useless and wastes fuel. Hell, a CT322 only has 62 hp, and I know it will lose traction before it will bog down in most situations.
Dropping a 70hp engine in the 315 would be akin to putting a Duramax in an S-10. The numbers might look good on paper, but the machine is simply not built to withstand the kind of use a bigger machine is intended for. If you need more power, buy a CT322.
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There are some situations where power is the only thing that helps, look at Dirtman's video where he was up to the bottom of the cab in mud, he's pushing to all the Takeuchi's might and power, I'm sure if he had 10 less horsepower in that TL150, he would be *****ing and screaming at it.
As soon as you give an operator a skid steer with tracks on it, the operator will use the tacks to their advantage. When I bought the T190, I never used my old 753 for dozing piles over, I just bucket carried them over because I didn't have the power or traction to do any type of pushing, but then I discovered how much power the T190 had over even a family member's S185, and I was amazed, so I pushed to my heart's content.
And even now with my Cat, I have turned up the injection pump to get more power and I might even disconnect the waste gate valve on the turbo, all that to get more power, which the 247 could have.
As soon as you give an operator a skid steer with tracks on it, the operator will use the tacks to their advantage. When I bought the T190, I never used my old 753 for dozing piles over, I just bucket carried them over because I didn't have the power or traction to do any type of pushing, but then I discovered how much power the T190 had over even a family member's S185, and I was amazed, so I pushed to my heart's content.
And even now with my Cat, I have turned up the injection pump to get more power and I might even disconnect the waste gate valve on the turbo, all that to get more power, which the 247 could have.
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Ron the only way your going to get more power is go with bigger injectors disconnecting the waste gate will net you a blown head gasket. Start over boosting it also leans out the engine because the injectors can't push anymore fuel.
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Ron, I agree that there are situations where more power would be nice. My argument is that if you're always finding yourself short of power, you're likely using the machine for larger jobs than for which it was intended and therefore a candidate for a bigger machine.
The T190 only has 5 hp more than the S185, but weighs 1400 lbs. more. It seems more powerful because of the weight of the machine, not in spite of it. Pushing power is measured by tractive effort, not by horsepower. A CT315 would likely gain little tractive effort because tractive effort is, by definition, limited by the weight of the machine. We're talking about skid steers here, not sports cars, so power-to-weight ratio is not a huge factor in the usefulness of a machine.
The T190 only has 5 hp more than the S185, but weighs 1400 lbs. more. It seems more powerful because of the weight of the machine, not in spite of it. Pushing power is measured by tractive effort, not by horsepower. A CT315 would likely gain little tractive effort because tractive effort is, by definition, limited by the weight of the machine. We're talking about skid steers here, not sports cars, so power-to-weight ratio is not a huge factor in the usefulness of a machine.
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Interesting discussion.
I would add though, not all a skid steers power needs to be converted into tractive effort. They also are used to power attachments. Although that arguement is not necessarily properly placed by talking about the small machines but rather larger ones. However the arguement that any power beyond what the machine can put toward its tractive effort is a waste, I don't think is totally correct. High hp/torque requirements such as trenching, mulching, planing come to mind. I prefer that you give me the power. I will use it as I see fit.
I would add though, not all a skid steers power needs to be converted into tractive effort. They also are used to power attachments. Although that arguement is not necessarily properly placed by talking about the small machines but rather larger ones. However the arguement that any power beyond what the machine can put toward its tractive effort is a waste, I don't think is totally correct. High hp/torque requirements such as trenching, mulching, planing come to mind. I prefer that you give me the power. I will use it as I see fit.
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I think he got into mom's finger nail polish remover again. So much for child proof caps.Did he just comment on how much power his T190 had and that he loved the machine???? Sure sounded like it, I'm confused???
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I loved it until I started to get that tingling feeling in my arms that indicated that it was time for pilot controls.Did he just comment on how much power his T190 had and that he loved the machine???? Sure sounded like it, I'm confused???
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That explains why the pages are stuck together now.
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Ronnie said it! Ronnie said it! He liked his Bobcat!
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As Tim Taylor (Home Improvement) always used to say "ho ho ho, More Power!"
In case you younger guys are wondering it was a tv show that aired in the 90's
In case you younger guys are wondering it was a tv show that aired in the 90's
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I remember, I always wanted to watch cause that one episode with the Bobcat in it might be on..
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I honestly don't think this baby CTL from Deere will take off. Sure they'll sell a few I imagine, but I think it's been said in this thread that it's more or less just rounding out their lineup, which I agree with entirely. Gives the guy that already owns a larger Deere CTL the opportunity to stay with Deere when he's looking to purchase in this smaller size class. A performance powerhouse? Highly unlikely. Does it matter? Not really.
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Home Improvement was a great show, still find reruns on.
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The only people I have interested in CT315 it is the rental companies. Only thing is rentals are down and they are not buying. 313's and 315's have been slow movers. The ones I have sold seem to be bullet proof though. I have spoiled my customers with 317's and 320's. Cant get the rental companies to switch. I am not stocking a CT315. CT322 is my bread and butter machine.
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Deere sure changed the loaders on the 313 and 315, the first runs don't have near the beef that the CT315 has now.
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sounds like the run for the CT 315 is going to be a slow and bleak one. Do you guys think that interest is down because these machines are radial lift vs vertical lift, or do you think the small size is hurting them?
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I don't think being a radial lift would hurt it or the size, I think people are disappointed with specs maybe?
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